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Legislative Council - Fifty-Fourth Parliament, First Session (54-1)
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Privatisation

The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Leader of the Opposition) (14:45): Supplementary arising from the first part of the answer and the meaning of the word 'privatisation' and the Treasurer's previous suggestion that we look up a definition: does the Treasurer agree with the OECD's definition of privatisation, which says the term privatisation includes other policies that include contracting out of services that the government runs?

The Hon. R.I. LUCAS (Treasurer) (14:46): Clearly, by way of the response that I gave to the Public Service Association and publicly, we made the distinction because we actually said—

The Hon. K.J. Maher: You know better than the OECD?

The Hon. R.I. LUCAS: Well, if that's the quote, we know better than the OECD, if that's the case. We made it quite clear, whatever your definition is, we said we were not ruling out outsourcing, we were not ruling out contracting out, we were not ruling out—

The Hon. K.J. Maher: You said look it up. You said look it up and then you say you have a different one. Well, what is yours? What is your definition if it's different from everyone else's?

The Hon. R.I. LUCAS: I am just explaining it to you.

The Hon. K.J. Maher: Go on.

The Hon. R.I. LUCAS: Well, I just did.

The PRESIDENT: Leader of the Opposition, it does not help us. This is not a debate, it is the Treasurer responding to your supplementary and I can't hear the Treasurer.

The Hon. R.I. LUCAS: If you could actually close the lips for a millisecond or two. It's a difficult challenge. We did not rule out commercialising. We did not rule out outsourcing. We did not rule out—

Members interjecting:

The Hon. R.I. LUCAS: Well, we were quite explicit. We didn't hide behind an OECD definition. We were quite explicit: we will not rule out contracting out. We will not rule out commercialising. We will not rule out outsourcing. You cannot be any more explicit than that.

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