South Australia Police

Mr TELFER (Flinders) (11:52): On behalf of the member for Bragg, I move:

That this house—

(a) notes an increase in various crimes since March 2022;

(b) notes that South Australia has a shortfall of nearly 200 police officers;

(c) notes that the SAPOL recruitment, retention and resourcing crisis is having an impact on frontline policing and community safety; and

(d) urges the government to provide sufficient resources to SAPOL to prevent crime.

Those tasked with looking after our communities should get all the support that they see necessary to be able to perform those duties, especially those on the frontlines, such as our SAPOL police officers. Some of the stories that we have seen in the media and that we, the opposition, have heard from officers, community members and officers' families about some of the challenges that have been faced by SAPOL officers in the line of duty are truly distressing.

Even just earlier today, the member for Bragg moved a motion specifically around violence towards police officers because at the moment the challenges around recruitment and retention really are writ large for the community of South Australia and especially South Australia Police. We know that there is a significant shortfall in the numbers of SAPOL officers actually able to be out on the frontline. This is a challenge that has been faced for several years, and this is why we in the opposition have been loudly calling for there to be appropriate attention and action from the government.

The challenges around recruitment then have an echo effect when it comes to retention. The numbers of police officers who we are seeing leaving the force—not just changing roles within SAPOL but absolutely drawing a line on their policing careers—is distressing. I have talked to a lot of officers who have been in the position where they have just absolutely had a gutful of having to deal with the challenges that they are facing, and they are shifting to other careers that do not have that level of stress.

The big challenge is that these officers are not necessarily at the end of their career and are retiring; these are officers who are at the peak of their career. These are senior officers who are deciding to move away from the force. This is leaving a void not just as far as numbers go but as far as experience and capability go.

It is all well and good bringing in new recruits, but if you are losing just as many at the other end you are not gaining ground. If you are bringing in junior officers who need a level of training and experience that only comes with time and you are losing existing officers who have that experience, there is always going to be a lesser outcome for communities.

This is something that we have seen pertinently in metropolitan Adelaide and areas within some of the district policing areas in Adelaide that are feeling especially challenged with some of the numbers that we see, but the echo of these challenges faced in metropolitan areas reaches us all the way out in the regional areas.

I speak with officers right across my electorate. Police officers are telling me of the challenges that they are facing in covering not just the amount of crime but also the amount of distance that they are responsible for. At the moment, for instance, we have the situation where in between Ceduna and Port Augusta there may be one police officer covering that whole area of the Eyre Highway. Not only is there crime that they have to deal with day to day but there are also the challenges and the risks around vehicle accidents that come with such a prominent highway.

I speak with officers right across my electorate; I am not going to name names because they speak to me in confidence. When I hear stories of officers having to go hundreds of kilometres away from their station to be able to go to incidents and events, that means there is a significant void that is left in the meantime. If I have an officer who is all the way up into some of the outback areas of South Australia and suddenly there is a shark attack, for instance, on the West Coast—and sadly this is something we have seen recently—that response time is significantly challenged because of that distance which they are having to follow.

We have seen police stations close. It was only recently that the police stations at Wirrulla and Minnipa were closed. They may be small communities, but they are communities that are isolated. The challenges that come without having law enforcement in those areas is significant. We have seen some nefarious characters start to gravitate towards these communities that do not have police representation to them now. Also, the significant distance of Highway 1, which was covered by these stations previously, means that now officers are having to travel from Ceduna, from Streaky Bay or from Port Lincoln, and teams are spending more time driving to incidents than actually trying to catch the people who are causing concern within the communities.

It is in the most far-flung areas of our state that the challenge with recruitment, retention and resourcing is truly laid bare. I speak to officers at Ceduna and I speak to community at Ceduna. They are crying out for appropriate attention from this government, because at the moment they are at their wits' end. There are businesses that are having to face criminal activity every single day, there are communities that are feeling unsafe, and there are challenges with holding police officers in these positions for an extended period of time.

Let me give you some examples of the distances they are having to cover. I will just say that in my region the new local leadership has taken on a significant role that covers Port Lincoln to Whyalla to Ceduna, and everywhere in between; it has taken on a significant job. In no way are the words that I speak ever negative towards the work that is done on the ground by our police force. They do incredible work but that needs to be backed up by appropriate resourcing from government, and especially in areas of regional South Australia that are dealing with the tyranny of distance.

So whether this is in Whyalla, where I was on Friday, hearing some of the challenges that business owners and community are facing, or whether it is in Ceduna where I constantly hear of the calls from community to have better representation from SAPOL and have those positions filled, instead of trying to recruit people, actually put in incentives and scenarios where you can hold officers for an extended period of time so that they can be a part of the community there, so they can gain that trust of community.

Or maybe it is in Port Lincoln where I am seeing challenges around youth crime, but also the level of disrespect for the rule of law within our community is starting to become more and more stark. So, if we have communities that are not feeling safe, and if we have people in their homes who are not feeling safe, there needs to be appropriate action from government. This is why this is a really important motion the member is bringing today about making sure that we sufficiently resource SAPOL to be able to prevent crime and keep our community safe, and do it in a way which is actually effective and efficient.

I have talked to that many police officers who are fed up with the process, the paperwork, and the carry-on, because they got into the force to do two things: to keep their community safe and catch the bad guys who are doing the wrong thing. We should be supporting them to be able to do that core function and do it in a way which is effective for the expectations of our community. I commend the motion.

Mr ODENWALDER (Elizabeth) (12:01): I rise to oppose the motion by the member for Bragg. I know it is a difficult job being the shadow minister for police, perhaps more than any others, but you have to get your facts right, otherwise all you are doing is undermining the good work of the police force in South Australia and we on this side of the house support our police. The member for Bragg's motion talks about additional police on the beat. Let's just look at the claims he made, and this is a quote from the member for Bragg:

Well this is smoke and mirrors…He's shut down two existing taskforces—

I am not sure whether he is referring to the minister or the police commissioner, presumably the minister—

tackling youth crime—

Mr Batty interjecting:

Mr ODENWALDER: Well—

and he has replaced it with one and given it a new name. There's no boost to police on the frontline.

The member for Bragg is claiming that there is 'no boost to police on the frontline'.

Mr Batty interjecting:

Mr ODENWALDER: Let's compare it to what the commissioner said during the announcement, and I quote directly:

Mr Batty interjecting:

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Excuse me, member for Elizabeth. Member for Bragg, if I remember correctly you were heard in silence. I suggest you—

Mr Whetstone interjecting:

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Member for Chaffey, do not interrupt when I have the floor. I suggest you listen to the member for Elizabeth's comments in silence.

Mr ODENWALDER: As I said, it is important to get your facts right, and the claims made by the member for Bragg are simply incorrect. It is not me saying that; they are not the Minister for Police's words. I will directly quote from the Commissioner of Police, I am not putting the words in anybody's mouth and I am not making incorrect claims about the state of our police force:

As a result of government funding that saw us employing more police security officer[s]…

The commissioner continues:

By creating this taskforce, the function remains the same but we now have permanently dedicated people undertaking those duties and it means that we no longer have to drag people out of patrol cars to fulfill that function—so it puts more police on the frontline.

'More police' according to the commissioner, but not according to the member for Bragg. Further, he makes claims about police numbers overall and, again, I quote the member for Bragg:

…in fact we have 10 per cent less police today than we did five years ago.

Notwithstanding the fact that the quantifier is wrong—it should be 'fewer' and it is one of those very few occasions perhaps where I wish Speaker Atkinson were here—latest figures from SAPOL show that there are now 4,537 active full-time sworn police officers, which is actually slightly above the last data available for the Marshall Liberal government which show, as of 30 June 2022, the number of sworn officers was 4,534.

In fact, over the term of the Marshall Liberal government—and the member for Flinders and the member for Bragg were not members of that illustrious government, but the Leader of the Opposition was. Not only was he a member of the government, he was a member of the cabinet. Not only was he a member of the cabinet, he was the Minister for Police. In fact, over the term of the Marshall Liberal government, sworn police officers declined from 4,678 at 30 June 2018 to 4,534 at 30 June 2022—down 3 per cent.

Mr Batty interjecting:

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Member for Bragg, I have called you to order once. If you speak again, you will be defying my order and I will chuck you out.

Mr ODENWALDER: Thank you, Deputy Speaker, for your protection. It is true that South Australia Police found itself in the same predicament as many other employers in South Australia. The strength of our labour market means that our unemployment rate is at historic lows, with 52,000 jobs being created across our state and 23,000 job vacancies remaining. This leaves many local employers, including SAPOL, fighting for talent to attract more people to their workforce. Of course, like the rest of the community, South Australia is experiencing a relatively ageing workforce with an increasing number of retirements. However, to claim that the Malinauskas government is not investing in police flies against the facts. It is another case of the member for Bragg misleading the public and undermining the work of not only the government but the police force.

Since coming to office in 2022, the state government—

Mr BATTY: Point of order, sir. Standing order 127: it is a personal reflection. He is saying I am trying to mislead the public and undermine the police force. It is a nonsense, and it is not the place for it.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Sorry, which—

Mr BATTY: He is personally reflecting on me, sir. He is obsessed with me. He should get back to the topic of the motion. I know the former shadow police minister might like to be the police minister and just give it a good crack but he—

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Member for Bragg, what standing order are you referring to?

Mr BATTY: 127.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Which states?

Mr BATTY: It says that a member must not make a personal reflection on another member or impute improper motives to another member.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: There was no personal reflection.

Mr Batty interjecting:

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think you spend too much time in front of a mirror, member for Bragg.

Mr Whetstone: That's a personal reflection.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is a personal reflection. He is in front of a mirror—of course it is a personal reflection.

Mr ODENWALDER: If it assists the house, I withdraw and apologise for claiming that the member for Bragg is misleading the public, but we will let the facts speak for themselves, perhaps. Since coming to office in 2022, the state government has committed an additional $334 million to support SAPOL, including:

$82 million to recruit an additional 189 sworn police security officers by 2024-25 to allow the redirection of existing sworn police officers to priority frontline operations;

$12.2 million to accelerate police recruitment and training;

$9.3 million to facilitate the redeployment of 24 police officers into priority policing duties by civilianisation of various positions in SA Police;

$25.3 million to deliver the National Firearms Register;

$19 million to develop and implement the digital police station; and

$18 million to construct a new police station in Naracoorte.

As I said, the member for Bragg and the member for Flinders were not members of that government but, as I said, there was one very prominent member of that government who is now the Leader of the Opposition and indeed was the Minister for Police.

I admit there were several police ministers. I will not reflect on some of those who were not in the house, but certainly the Leader of the Opposition was the Minister for Police for a significant time of the Marshall government. They imposed close to $50 million of cuts to SA Police during their term in office. In addition, the state government and Police Association of South Australia (PASA) have reached an interim agreement on a significant package of reforms to support the attraction and retention of South Australian police officers.

The Malinauskas government has also introduced the toughest knife laws in the nation, outlawed posting and boasting about criminal activity and announced a crackdown recently on copper theft. If we are going to talk about crime statistics, as the member Flinders did, under our government crime across the state has fallen year on year for the fourth consecutive month. In the month of December the number of reported offences was almost 3 per cent down on the previous year and more than 3 per cent lower than in November. Offences against property also dropped in the year to December by 5 per cent, or 4,457 fewer offences. The latest SAPOL data also shows a 23 per cent drop in homicide and related offences, a 22 per cent decline in robbery and related offences against a person, and an 8 per cent drop in sexual assault.

We, on this side of the house, oppose this motion. The motion itself is misleading, it undermines the good work of SA Police, it misrepresents the government's commitment to strengthen our police force and to strengthen law and order policy in this state, and it fails to recognise that this government is fixing up the mistakes of the previous four years under the Marshall Liberal government when the Leader of the Opposition was the police minister, so we oppose this motion.

Mr BATTY (Bragg) (12:10): I rise to speak in support of this motion. I think there has never been a more important time to have a motion like this before the house. It feels like we cannot open a newspaper or turn on the television or listen to the radio without hearing more reports of violent home invasions in the suburbs, random attacks on our streets, or small businesses being crippled by shoplifting. These victims of crime are who I am trying to speak to through a motion like this. They are the people I most care about, while those opposite seem more interested in throwing barbs at the opposition. We have heard this very speech before from the part-time police minister, repeated now by the former shadow police minister—I must say with a bit more gusto this time, I think, so I do commend him.

He wants to talk about facts, and the unfortunate situation that those sitting on that side of the house find themselves in is that the facts say crime is rising under the Malinauskas Labor government. If we look at the crime statistics of the current rolling year compared to the final year of the Marshall Liberal government we see massive increases in crime right across the board, whether it is assaults or acts intended to cause injury (as they put it), a 25.8 per cent increase, or assaulting police, something that was subject to debate a bit earlier, up 35 per cent. Homicide is up 11 per cent, threatening behaviour is up 59 per cent, robbery-related offences are up 13 per cent, property damage is up 6 per cent, sexual assault is up 9.5 per cent, and theft from a shop is up 44.6 per cent.

These are the facts that people are living and breathing every day. These are not just numbers, these are victims of crime that those opposite seem to just not care about, frankly. They do not seem to accept that we have a problem. What we just heard from those opposite is, 'No, it's okay. Everything is fine and crime is actually falling.' You have taken the bait and you have fallen for a bit of a trap, I think, over there.

Mr Odenwalder interjecting:

Mr BATTY: Maybe one day. There are a few problems with this approach. The first is, just on the face of it, that many crimes are in fact not falling. Indeed, I can cherrypick statistics as well as the member for Elizabeth, and we see that acts intended to cause injury are up 7 per cent in the most recent statistics. We see threatening behaviour is up 12 per cent in the most recent statistics. We see that graffiti is up 14 per cent in the most recent statistics. But what the member for Elizabeth wants to talk about are some perhaps minor year-on-year improvements for the rolling year.

I think one example he might have cited was shoplifting was down 3 per cent in the most recent month. That is great, but it has gone up 40-something per cent over the past two years. So while those opposite want to celebrate a 3 per cent drop apparently in the last month, we are going to shine a light on the fact that shoplifting has increased by 44 per cent. Just go and ask a small business and you will find out. Instead of denying the facts, get on with acknowledging that there is a problem and then get on with your job of fixing it. So we are just not going to accept that these small improvements, apparently, cancel out these massive increases we have seen in the preceding two years of their term.

The other problem with highlighting apparent small decreases in crime is that South Australia has one of the lowest rates of reporting crime in the entire country. This does not say that shoplifting is falling a little bit; what it says is that reports of shoplifting are falling a little bit. I think people have just got so fed up with reporting crime, it has become so commonplace, that people are just not reporting any more, because they know that the Malinauskas Labor government is not going to do anything about it.

The final reason why it is a really foolish position to take, to try and tell everyone that there is not a problem, is because it is just not what the community is experiencing. It is just so divorced from people's personal experiences out there in the real world. The member for Elizabeth has done it, but the Premier himself has done it. The Premier last week I think—there is no date on this—took to Facebook to do some sort of bizarre victory lap about how crime is not a problem anymore. He tweets out on Facebook, 'Crime across the state has fallen year on year for the fourth consecutive month.' What a strange time to do a victory lap when crime on the whole has increased dramatically under his term of government.

I do not usually read the comments, but these ones were interesting, and I want to spend a bit of time just explaining to those opposite what their constituents actually think, what those out there in the real world actually think. Instead of just obsessing over whether the opposition said this or that, instead of doing that why don't we actually listen to what those in the real world say.

The member for Elizabeth and the Premier say that crime is falling. Well, let me read you some of these. Sarah says, and I quote:

Are you sure? Because our area (5070) has had nothing but theft, break-ins (houses and cars), peeping toms. There is a community page on Facebook that I'm on and every single day. There are multiple posts of things happening in the area—including footage of a guy looking into windows of people's homes.

Anita says:

I would suggest it's much more likely that crime reporting has dropped, not the crimes. Less members available to take reports.

Kirsten says:

Not in my area it hasn't. In fact it has gone up and more violent.

Amy says:

Doesn't seem that way.

Vicki says:

Crime falling? Youth crime is disgusting.

I don't know that the member for Elizabeth has seen any of this or spoken to any of these people. Disy says:

Our laws need to be overhauled and made tougher. Stop letting kids out on bail over and over again. People are not safe in their homes at shopping centres, workplaces etc., etc.

Amanda says:

Seriously! Kids as young as 11 are running wild and are not being held accountable!!!.

Gin says:

'Crime falls' because there are no SAPOL officers to attend to calls. There's methamphetamine crimes everywhere plus it's causing the mental health and homelessness crisis.

There are many of these. Kylie says:

My son was attacked a few weeks ago by a group of 15 twenty year olds in their car.

Allan says:

Crime reporting has fallen not the crimes. Can't get a policer officer when you would need one so no point ringing them.

Andrew says:

Crime's fallen because we've given up on reporting it.

Davina says:

Peter Malinauskas I thought recently you have had to add extra police to Rundle Mall due to the increased crime. Was there not the tobacco wars/crime getting out of control at the end of 2024. Been a number of shootings as well in suburbs. Not sure your figures add up.

Adam merely questions:

Is this a parody account?

Greta says:

What a load of rubbish.

Natasha says:

Maybe more people are getting away with crimes going under their radar.

Jeff just has a question:

Are you sure?

And there is a little thinking emoji; he is not too sure I don't think. David says:

I don't know what you are smoking but I will have some. It depends on how the crimes are reported or not reported.

Mario says:

Falling and pigs fly! Salisbury shopping precinct begs to differ.

Justin directs his comment to the member for Kaurna:

Try walking through Colonnades or Noarlunga train station. I can assure you crime isn't falling down there...Chris Picton MP promised to clean this mess up and still hasn't.

Nikki, who seems to be a small business owner, says:

Send more to Findon. They steal from my store daily.

Millicent says:

No it hasn't!!!.…all I'm hearing is lies and broken promises.

Brad says:

8 cars broken into last week around South Plympton.

Damien says:

Get real man if you know how.

Annie says:

Hmmm not sure about that.

Les says:

Peter Malinauskas as if you can even say that with a straight face.

Carrol says:

Because you have robbed regional areas this infuriates me. We don't even bother to call now, what's the bloody point. #Riverland #WildWest.

Which I am sure the member for Chaffey will be interested in. I look forward to visiting the member for Chaffey's electorate to talk to those people on the ground about the serious issues facing them, and I suggest those opposite do the same, instead of just coming in here with their cheap debating points. Margaret says:

Could have fooled me!!!

Martin says:

It's fudging the numbers to suit the narrative.

Rosey says:

After watching the evening news every night I can't see how those figures come about seems to be crime is worse than ever!

I could keep going, but I am, sadly, time-limited. My point is that this is not happening by accident. This is happening because we have weak laws under the Malinauskas Labor government. This is happening because we have a dramatic shortfall of police under the Malinauskas Labor government. Instead of coming in here and denying a problem, they should get on with their job of fixing the recruitment and retention crisis in South Australia Police.

Mr WHETSTONE (Chaffey) (12:20): I am going to rise and make a contribution to this motion, because it is an important motion. I have listened to the member for Elizabeth, and I am a little bit shell-shocked that he is in denial about what is actually happening out there on the ground. We all know that as South Australians we are seeing an increase in crime on our streets. We are seeing shop theft up now 51 per cent, as of September 2024.

Assaults on police is one thing that really does worry me. As a former shadow minister for police, I listen to the police regularly. I speak to them, I meet with them regularly, and they are telling me that many new entrants into the force are very, very concerned about the threat of violence against them for upholding the law. Robbery is up 26 per cent. Homicide is up 25 per cent. Sexual assault is up 12 per cent.

South Australians deserve to be safe. They deserve to feel safe, but what we are seeing is a lack of initiatives in attracting and retaining police officers. New entrants into the force is also really a head scratcher for the government. They have come in and they have played the blame game on a former government, three years ago. What I can say is that this current government—this Malinauskas Labor government—should hang its head in shame. We have a part-time police minister who has just been jettisoned in. We have crime on the increase, but we are seeing a reduction in police presence, particularly in regional South Australia.

As I said, SAPOL is under-resourced. We need more cops on the beat. We need to attract and retain more, so that we can actually have a sustainable police force. A total of 14 stations across the state have had reductions in service, as police announce plans to change the operating hours for administrative services. Police stations in Berri, Port Pirie and Mount Gambier will go from being open 24/7 to standardised operating: 9am to 5pm on weekdays, and 9am to 3.30pm on the weekend for those that are already open on Saturdays and Sundays.

We are now watching those who are going to commit a crime wait until those police stations close, and then they are open for business because the police stations are not. Stations in Nuriootpa, Gawler, Whyalla, Port Lincoln, Ceduna, Coober Pedy, Port Augusta, Mount Barker, Murray Bridge, Naracoorte and Millicent are also affected by standardised hours, which came into effect in December 2024.

In my electorate of Chaffey, there is no police station that is open 24 hours a day. Previously, Berri was the only station. My electorate covers 31,000 square kilometres. There is no full-time dedicated police station open 24/7. Swan Reach, Morgan, Blanchetown and Karoonda have no dedicated SAPOL service. Again, these small communities are now becoming more isolated with the Labor government's approach, which is uniform centralised services.

Renmark is a town of over 12,000 people, and it has no police station at all. It has been closed. It did have a sign on the door stating that it was temporarily unattended, but they have now removed that sign and that police station is closed shut. There is just no presence at all. As I said, it is the largest town in the electorate, and the closest temporary police station is at Berri. Once Berri closes—we do need a police station open. This is exactly what the member for Bragg has just stated. When we reduce police station hours we reduce reporting and we reduce notifications by people who are feeling unsafe, or who want to report a crime, or who want to go to the police because they have an urgent need.

We need a better recruitment strategy. We look at what Queensland have done: with over 2,000 people in the recruitment process, they have been linked to a successful story. It is better incentives, it is cost-of-living allowances, it is accommodation allowances, it is about the police academies being upgraded and updated to deal with the current situation. It is about relocation costs and HECS debt incentives. Queensland have spent $87½ million over five years.

I notice that the member for Elizabeth spruiked about how much money his government have put into the police force, but what are the tangible outcomes? Money talks, but it is not actually getting the outcomes that every South Australian feels are necessary to be safe in their homes, to be safe in their communities and to be safe in the day-to-day walk of life.

Yes, we do need to retain and, yes, we do need to recruit, but we need to do a better job at it. I know that there have been programs looking at recruiting police officers from other countries, but at the end of the day, while we are seeing assaults on police officers, it is not an attractive proposition. While we are seeing a lack of resources it puts more pressure on the fewer police officers that we have, and it is putting more pressure on the day-to-day mental health of our officers who need those resources and who need to feel as though they are part of a force that is backed by the government.

Currently, what I hear when talking to police officers and talking to community people is that they are feeling unsafe. As I said, they are now not reporting because there is no-one at home: the shop is shut, the police station is closed. To think that they would have reduced hours on a weekend—I just do not understand what their thinking is around that. This is a budget-savings measure, nothing more.

Are we seeing police station hours in metro Adelaide being reduced? Are we seeing fewer officers coming into a metro station? Those are the questions that need to be answered. I know what is happening in the regions and I know what is happening in my electorate of Chaffey, and it is not good, it is not pretty and it is putting more and more pressure on those who are there and remaining in the force. That is why we are having trouble retaining those officers, because they are being stretched from pillar to post and they do not feel that they have the support of this state government.

It is a motion that I felt strongly enough about to get up and talk about. It is a motion that I think needs to be addressed. Throwing money at it, hand over fist, is just not fixing it. The member for Elizabeth has told us how much money the Malinauskas Labor government have put into the police, but why is it not working? Why is that money not sticking? There are some questions that, potentially, the Premier needs to address.

I do support the member for Bragg's motion; it is an important motion. It needs to be recognised that our police force in South Australia is on a diminishing support base and is losing officers more than it is gaining them.

Mr TELFER (Flinders) (12:29): To summarise the debate, we on this side want to do what we can to support those SAPOL officers who are doing the important work of keeping our community safe. This is about actually putting processes in place that help them in the job they are doing.

We have a real issue in this state with retaining police officers. Why is that? Because they do not feel supported in the job that they are doing. This motion clearly articulates the challenges around recruitment and retention. It clearly says that we are urging the government to provide sufficient resources to SAPOL to prevent crime.

If this government is going to be resting on its laurels when it comes to some of the challenging crime statistics that have been brought to bear and articulated well within this debate, I think it is a sad day for South Australia because right around our communities across the whole of South Australia community members and businesses are coming to us and saying that there is an issue here, that we need the government to be understanding this issue and they need to be giving it their full attention. I commend the motion.

The house divided on the motion:

Ayes 12

Noes 22

Majority 10

AYES

NOES

PAIRS

Motion thus negatived.