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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2025-02-19T11:00:00+10:30" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fifth Parliament, First Session (55-1)</sessionName>
  <parliamentNum>55</parliamentNum>
  <sessionNum>1</sessionNum>
  <parliamentName>Parliament of South Australia</parliamentName>
  <house>Legislative Council</house>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Metropolitan Fire Service</name>
      <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000721">
        <heading>Metropolitan Fire Service</heading>
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      <talker role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. B.R. HOOD</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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          <question date="2025-02-19T00:30:00+10:30">
            <name>Metropolitan Fire Service</name>
          </question>
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        <startTime time="2025-02-19T14:51:35+10:30" />
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          <by role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b">The Hon. B.R. HOOD (14:51):</by>  I seek leave to make a brief explanation before asking the Minister for Emergency Services a question regarding the Metropolitan Fire Service.</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000723">Leave granted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. B.R. HOOD</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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          <by role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b">The Hon. B.R. HOOD:</by>  The opposition has sighted, through a freedom of information request, a business case developed by the full-time staff of the Mount Gambier MFS station which has been sent up the MFS chain of command that calls to implement a single appliance, 24-hour full-time staffing model for Mount Gambier. The business case outlines several key benefits to the local community, including:</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000725">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">a 150 per cent increase in full-time coverage, ensuring faster response times to emergencies;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000726">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">a projected increase in the percentage of incidents attended with 11 minutes from 76 per cent to 95 per cent, aligning Mount Gambier with similar regional centres like Port Pirie;</item>
        </text>
        <page num="7920" />
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000727">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">that a full-time staffed 24/7 station would save seven minutes per call on average to respond (as the minister would be aware, a house fire can cause complete destruction of the area of one room every four minutes);</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000728">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the enhanced ability to support other emergency services, including the CFS and SAAS;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000729">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">reduced property damage and risk to life through quicker fire suppression and emergency response; and</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000730">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">cost savings through a more efficient staffing model, with the total wage cost for full-time staffing estimated at approximately $250,000 per year.</item>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000731">My questions to the minister are</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000732">1.&amp;#x9;Has the minister been provided with a copy of, and has she read, the business case?</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000733">2.&amp;#x9;Has the minister spoken with the full-time MFS staff at Mount Gambier regarding the need for a full-time 24/7 MFS station?</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000734">3.&amp;#x9;Will the minister support the calls from the opposition and the Independent member for Mount Gambier, Troy Bell, to fund and implement a full-time staffed 24/7 MFS station in Mount Gambier?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. BOURKE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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            <name>Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Autism</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing</name>
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        <startTime time="2025-02-19T14:53:23+10:30" />
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          <by role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db">The Hon. E.S. BOURKE (Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services, Minister for Autism, Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing) (14:53):</by>  Apologies; I just want to seek clarification at the beginning. When the honourable member said that a freedom of information request was put forward, who was that request put forward to?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b">
        <name>The Hon. B.R. HOOD</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000736">
          <by role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b">The Hon. B.R. HOOD:</by>  To the MFS.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. BOURKE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Autism</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db">The Hon. E.S. BOURKE:</by>  Was it was put forward to the MFS directly, to the local brigade—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b">
        <name>The Hon. B.R. HOOD</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000738">
          <by role="member" id="7056" referenceid="8dfae82e584e4ef8b03b5e315458492b">The Hon. B.R. HOOD:</by>  No; to the MFS of South Australia.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000739">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  I understand you are trying to get some clarification, minister, but we are not having a conversation. So minister, answer, and if the Hon. Mr Hood needs to ask a supplementary he can. Please give your answer.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. BOURKE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Autism</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db">The Hon. E.S. BOURKE:</by>  Thank you. I would have to seek clarification whether that business case was put forward to the government before I can respond to what is in that business case referred to. However, as I have outlined previously, I am happy to have those conversations.</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000741">I have reached out to the MFS to find time, and I have allocated time, to go to Mount Gambier to have these conversations. I have made that public statement that I would be having those conversations with them. I am new to this role and I am trying to get my head around all the different services and brigades, and the MFS as well. So I am absolutely happy to have those conversations with them but, particularly in regard to their costings, have a look at what those costings actually look like. My understanding is it's not as simple as saying let's just go to 24/7—</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000742">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000743">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000744">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000745">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! The opposition front bench and the Hon. Mr Hunter—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. BOURKE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Autism</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing</name>
          </portfolio>
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          <by role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db">The Hon. E.S. BOURKE:</by>  The concerns that were raised yesterday—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000747">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. BOURKE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Autism</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing</name>
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        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000748">
          <by role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db">The Hon. E.S. BOURKE:</by>  Sorry, Mr President.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000749">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  No—go, please; now that we have some silence.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. BOURKE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Emergency Services and Correctional Services</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Autism</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Recreation, Sport and Racing</name>
          </portfolio>
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        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000750">
          <by role="member" id="5413" referenceid="07ef1306959a44c38acfb7dce9a031db">The Hon. E.S. BOURKE:</by>  Concerns that were raised yesterday were following comments made on radio heightening fear that there was not a 24/7 MFS service available in Mount Gambier, which I am advised is not correct. There is a 24/7 MFS service available in Mount Gambier. As the member would know, there is the career firefighter, who is available through the day, and in the evening the retained firefighters are put on to support in the evening.</text>
        <text id="20250219b1c36112f5d94fdf90000751">My understanding is that the Mount Gambier MFS station should be very proud of what they have been able to achieve so far. They not only are under the timeframe but exceed the national timeframes that are put forward in responding to an emergency. They do an incredible effort, one that they should be very proud of. As I have said, I am happy to have those conversations, but I don't like the idea of putting fear out there that there isn't a service available when there is one.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
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