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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2022-11-01T14:15:00+10:30" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fifth Parliament, First Session (55-1)</sessionName>
  <parliamentNum>55</parliamentNum>
  <sessionNum>1</sessionNum>
  <parliamentName>Parliament of South Australia</parliamentName>
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  <proceeding>
    <name>Question Time</name>
    <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000079">
      <heading>Question Time</heading>
    </text>
    <subject>
      <name>Energy Security</name>
      <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000080">
        <heading>Energy Security</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4362" referenceid="9196416ed01f41d0801ce030b03cd39a" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. J.S. LEE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Deputy Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2022-11-01T03:45:00+10:30">
            <name>Energy Security</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2022-11-01T14:32:18+10:30" />
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          <by role="member" id="4362" referenceid="9196416ed01f41d0801ce030b03cd39a">The Hon. J.S. LEE (Deputy Leader of the Opposition) (14:32):</by>  I seek leave to make a brief explanation before asking a question of the Leader of the Government about energy security.</text>
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        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000082">Leave granted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4362" referenceid="9196416ed01f41d0801ce030b03cd39a" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.S. LEE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Deputy Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
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        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000083">
          <by role="member" id="4362" referenceid="9196416ed01f41d0801ce030b03cd39a">The Hon. J.S. LEE:</by>  Our community's safety and wellbeing is the most important purpose of any democratic parliament. Victoria's Premier, Daniel Andrews, has announced his government's intent to nationalise his state's energy generation and restrict gas development. South Australia's energy security relies heavily on the Victorian interconnector. When push comes to shove, there is significant risk that Daniel Andrews will disconnect that South Australian lifeline to keep the lights on in his own state.</text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000084">My question to the Leader of the Government is: what guarantee will the Labor government give to our community to ensure that South Australians can keep their lights on, and will the government explain what immediate measures it has put in place to minimise the risks to energy security?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Attorney-General</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industrial Relations and Public Sector</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <startTime time="2022-11-01T14:33:23+10:30" />
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000085">
          <timeStamp time="2022-11-01T14:33:23+10:30" />
          <by role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, Attorney-General, Minister for Industrial Relations and Public Sector) (14:33):</by>  I thank the honourable member for her question. It is an important question because the national energy crisis facing Australia carries risks to people right around Australia. It is worth noting that jurisdictions like Western Australia chose not to privatise their electricity assets, unlike the former Liberal government under the former Treasurer, the Hon. Rob Lucas, who, after going to an election and giving a guarantee of not privatising, decided to privatise our electricity assets.</text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000086">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000087">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! Continue, Attorney.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Attorney-General</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industrial Relations and Public Sector</name>
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        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000088">
          <by role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  It might be worse. Leave was granted to table a ministerial statement from the Premier in another place but as the question directly asked by the honourable member pertains to actions being taken in relation to the national energy crisis, it might be worth reading largely from what has just been tabled.</text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000089">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000090">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! I am listening to the Attorney-General.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Attorney-General</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industrial Relations and Public Sector</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000091">
          <by role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  I understand that the opposition don't particularly care about this issue and are embarrassed and ashamed that it was their former government that sold off assets here, so I can understand the Hon. Michelle Lensink being embarrassed and ashamed. I could understand that, but I will give information because that is the respectful thing to do because the Hon. Jing Lee has asked.</text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000092">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000093">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Attorney-General</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industrial Relations and Public Sector</name>
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        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000094">
          <by role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  The Premier has outlined:</text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000095">
          <inserted>The Commonwealth Budget delivered on 25 October forecasts that electricity prices will increase in the National Electricity Market by 20% by the end of this year and a further 30% next financial year—a potential cumulative increase of 56%.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000096">
          <inserted>In addition, Federal Treasury expects retail prices of gas to increase by 20% this year and a further 20% in 2023-24.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000097">
          <inserted>Price increases of this scale are completely unacceptable to the community and will have significant adverse impacts on households and businesses, worsening pressure on the cost-of-living crisis, reducing real disposable income and impacting economic growth.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000098">
          <inserted>As noted by the Commonwealth, the Australian Energy Market Operator and the Australian Energy Regulator, the illegal invasion of Ukraine—</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000099">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000100">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Attorney-General</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industrial Relations and Public Sector</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000101">
          <inserted>
            <by role="member" id="4697" referenceid="c1607c57d2294390bdc2b07c15f35010">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  —by Russia has caused a global gas supply crisis which has increased prices to extraordinary levels. Australia, including South Australia, is not immune to these price rises.</inserted>
        </text>
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        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000102">
          <inserted>Electricity price rises have been exacerbated by a related global increase in coal prices and, in Australia, the increasing unreliability of ageing coal-fired power stations and problems with coal supply.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000103">
          <inserted>South Australia has a higher level of renewable generation and price rises here are expected to be lower than in the eastern states which rely on coal-fired power stations. However, while lower, the predicted rises are severe.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000104">
          <inserted>Accordingly, the Government has established a National Energy Crisis Committee of Cabinet which will be chaired by [the Premier].</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000105">
          <inserted>The Cabinet Committee will be supported by a Taskforce which will help develop a response to the forecast electricity price increases with the aim of implementing measures that can reduce the scale of increase and mitigate the impact on the community.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000106">
          <inserted>The National Energy Crisis Taskforce will be co-chaired by the Minister for Energy and Mining…and the Chief Executive of the Department for Energy and Mining, with a membership including the Chief Executive of Hydrogen Power SA, Treasury and Finance, Department of the Premier and Cabinet, and other members as determined, with support from the Department for Energy and Mining and expert energy market consultants.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000107">
          <inserted>In addition, South Australia is working collaboratively with the Commonwealth, other states and territories and the national market bodies AER, AEMC and AEMO.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000108">
          <inserted>[This government] is pleased that the Commonwealth has reinvigorated the Energy Ministers process and welcomes the leadership of Energy Ministers by the Commonwealth Minister for Climate Change and Energy [the Hon.] Chris Bowen.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000109">
          <inserted>This is a national energy crisis and we welcome statements from the Commonwealth that Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, Treasurer Jim Chalmers, Minister for Resources Madeleine King, Mr Bowen and colleagues will consider all options in addressing the challenge of this crisis.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000110">
          <inserted>The Commonwealth has considerable regulatory powers and South Australia will welcome those powers being exercised in the pursuit of affordable, reliable and cleaner energy.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000111">
          <inserted>It is also important to dismiss the claims that renewable energy is the cause of the price increase.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000112">
          <inserted>The cause is the increase in the prices of coal and gas and the internationalisation of prices domestically despite Australia's bountiful supplies.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000113">
          <inserted>In the Quarterly Energy Dynamics report published last week by the Australian Energy Market Operator this trend is quite clear.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000114">
          <inserted>That report notes that in South Australia the average price of gas in the Third Quarter of 2021 was $11.51 per gigajoule. In the same quarter this year it was $27.29—that is, there has been a 137% increase.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000115">We are, as a government, taking action. When you look at the price, as I said, of gas compared to that, let's say, for wind, the price change from negative $41 in quarter 3 of 2021 to negative $1 this year is clearly reducing overall price rather than stoking increases. As I said, any suggestion that renewable energies have played a part in increasing power prices isn't borne out by the facts.</text>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000116">The government is committed to assessing all possible options available at a state level to protect South Australia from the worst impacts of the national energy crisis. I thank the honourable member for her question but still reiterate it was a Liberal government that decided to sell off our electricity assets.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="202211013760eb07e703424c80000117">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Before you ask your supplementary question, I just make quite clear that I allowed the Attorney to read from a statement that had been tabled. I hadn't seen it. It was an important question and was obviously quite a generous answer. I would say, if it was asked by the government, I probably wouldn't have allowed you to read your ministerial statement. You have a supplementary question?</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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