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  <date date="2021-11-17" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, Second Session (54-2)</sessionName>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Ambulance Ramping</name>
      <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000301">
        <heading>Ambulance Ramping</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="5414" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <questions>
          <question date="2021-11-17">
            <name>Ambulance Ramping</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2021-11-17T15:18:33" />
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000302">
          <timeStamp time="2021-11-17T15:18:33" />
          <by role="member" id="5414">The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS (15:18):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Health and Wellbeing regarding health. I seek leave to make a brief explanation before asking that question.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000303">Leave granted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5414" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000304">
          <by role="member" id="5414">The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS:</by>  In June, the Premier told a press conference that his state budget would, and I quote, 'definitely fix ramping' and that would happen, and I quote, 'almost immediately'. Since then, South Australia has had three of the four worst months of ramping in South Australia's history. My question to the minister is:</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000305">1.&amp;#x9;Why has the minister failed to meet the Premier's commitments that his state budget will fix ramping almost immediately?</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000306">2.&amp;#x9;Was the Premier lying, or is the minister unable to deliver on a promise?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000307">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The honourable member ought to be careful with the way she phrases that question and I might ask her to just rephrase that.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5414" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000308">
          <by role="member" id="5414">The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS:</by>  Sure. My question is:</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000309">1.&amp;#x9;Why has the minister failed to meet the Premier's commitment that his state budget will fix ramping almost immediately?</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000310">2.&amp;#x9;Why has the minister been unable to deliver the Premier's promise?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <startTime time="2021-11-17T15:19:57" />
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000311">
          <timeStamp time="2021-11-17T15:19:57" />
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE (Minister for Health and Wellbeing) (15:19):</by>  I thank the honourable member for giving me the opportunity—in fact, for having highlighted this government's investment in health in the most recent budget. It continues a strong record of investment in health over the last four years—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000312">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000313">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000314">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —so that we are now investing $7.4 billion—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000315">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000316">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000317">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —in health.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000318">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000319">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! The minister will resume his seat. The Hon. Ms Pnevmatikos asked a question, and I reckon she is having as much trouble hearing the answer as I am because of members of the backbench on the opposition side, including the whip.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000320">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  That record—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000321">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000322">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000323">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —$7.4 billion investment in health includes a significant increase to the SA Ambulance Service budget. Since Labor's last budget there has been a—</text>
        <page num="4867" />
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000324">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000325">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000326">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —31 per cent increase in—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000327">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000328">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000329">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —the budget of the SA Ambulance Service, in terms of the—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000330">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000331">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter, order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000332">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —government's initiatives in relation to reducing ambulance transfer—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000333">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000334">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000335">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —of care delays.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000336">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000337">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Leader! We have about a minute and a half left, and I want to hear the minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000338">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Thank you, Mr President. As I was saying, the government, as part of its record—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000339">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000340">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000341">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —$7.4 billion investment, has increased the budget yet again to the SA Ambulance Service, with an additional 74 paramedics—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000342">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000343">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000344">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —being funded through that budget. As I said, the Treasurer is having—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000345">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000346">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter and the Leader of the Opposition are out of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000347">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —ongoing discussions.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000348">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000349">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order, the leader!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000350">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  One of the key initiatives of the last budget, in terms of providing alternative care pathways, has been the expansion of the Urgent Mental Health Care Centre in the city. This provides treatment spaces—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000351">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000352">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000353">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —so that mental health patients can receive—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000354">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000355">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="4868" />
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000356">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —the care they need outside our busy EDs. In this most recent budget, the Treasurer invested—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000357">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000358">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000359">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —and put the money where the evidence showed we are having a real impact, and we are increasing—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000360">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000361">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000362">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —the hours of the Urgent Mental Health Care Centre to 24 hours a day.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000363">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000364">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! The Leader of the Opposition is out of order.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000365">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000366">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:  Order!</by>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000367">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  So the Ambulance Service, the police and the walk-in—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000368">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000369">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Leader of the Opposition is out of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000370">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —mental health patients will now, under this budget, under the custodianship of Premier Marshall and Treasurer Lucas, is investing in services—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000371">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000372">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000373">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —that will deliver on the needs of all South Australians.</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000374">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="3125">The Hon. R.P. Wortley interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000375">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Wortley ought to be careful with his language.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000376">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  I would like to thank the Hon. Irene Pnevmatikos—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000377">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000378">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000379">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —for giving me another opportunity to highlight another innovative service that the Marshall Liberal government—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000380">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000381">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —is investing in with this $7.4 billion investment in health, the My Home Hospital program, which means that people can receive the care they need in the community. The contribution—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000383">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  Point of order: I have not been able to hear the minister address the question once in his whole answer, sir.</text>
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        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000384">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Well, some might say it might be difficult to work that out given the noise that has been coming from my left.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000385">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Yes, and whilst I am a politician and not a clinician, I would suggest—</text>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000386">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000387">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000388">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —that if one continues to yell one is very unlikely to hear.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20211117b4bd95517e3444e1b0000389">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The time for questions has expired.</text>
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