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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2021-09-07" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, Second Session (54-2)</sessionName>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Public Housing</name>
      <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000200">
        <heading>Public Housing</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4867" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. T.T. NGO</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <questions>
          <question date="2021-09-07">
            <name>Public Housing</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2021-09-07T15:17:27" />
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000201">
          <timeStamp time="2021-09-07T15:17:27" />
          <by role="member" id="4867">The Hon. T.T. NGO (15:17):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Human Services about housing. Exactly how many extra public housing properties will be delivered under the minister's two recent policy announcements about asset tests and open inspections for prospective tenants in public housing?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2021-09-07">
            <name>Public Housing</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2021-09-07T15:17:56" />
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000202">
          <timeStamp time="2021-09-07T15:17:56" />
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK (Minister for Human Services) (15:17):</by>  I am not sure that I understand the honourable member's question, but I will attempt to answer what the benefits will be to people who are on our public housing waiting list. The honourable member I think refers to the reduction in the income and asset test as well. That was the other recent announcement.</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000203">In terms of public housing, we inherited a complete basket case. One only needs to examine the triennial report, which I tabled here in July 2018, which speaks to the unsustainability of the public housing system, which had really been left to rack and ruin under Labor. There has been a huge number of reforms that have taken place in our public housing system.</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000204">These two policies speak to transparency in the system and ensuring that we are delivering public housing to people who need it most. I am not sure whether Labor wants to try to defend that a single person who has assets of half a million dollars could still place themselves on the public housing waiting list. Quite frankly, I don't think that passes the community interest test. I think most people, as I was, were shocked to learn that people could have assets of that level and still register for public housing. So it was out of kilter with all of the other states around Australia.</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000205">The asset test still remains more generous than most jurisdictions around Australia and has come down to 10 per cent of what it was previously. We recognise, and I think a lot of people who reside in public housing and indeed people in the community recognise, that we should be providing public housing as efficiently as possible and to those people who need it most. That is what the policy settings are about. Labor just chose to leave it—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000206">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="3122">The Hon. I.K. Hunter interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000207">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order, the Hon. Mr Hunter!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000208">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  They sold off 7½ thousand properties—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000209">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  Point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000210">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Point of order. The Minister will resume her seat.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="4098" />
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000211">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  The honourable member of the opposition asked about the number of new properties and after minutes of talking about many other things that hasn't even been touched upon, sir</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000212">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Well, 2½ minutes, but the minister will continue.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000213">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  Under Labor there were 7½ thousand properties—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000214">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000215">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000216">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  One point five billion dollars—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000217">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000218">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! The minister will resume her seat. The opposition complains that the minister is not answering the opposition's question but they won't listen to it. The minister will continue and be heard in silence.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000219">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  Labor chose to cannibalise public housing stock.</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000220">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000221">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000222">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  All their pet projects.</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000223">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000224">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! The minister will continue.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000225">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  And it was completely unsustainable. We are—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000226">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="3122">The Hon. I.K. Hunter interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000227">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000228">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  We are bringing the organisation—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000229">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000230">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! The Hon. Mr Hunter is risking the next question for the Labor Party.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000231">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  We are setting our public housing system on a far more sustainable footing, which means that we don't need to keep cannibalising the stock in the way that Labor did, where they just came up with one budget and I don't know where Tom Koutsantonis would put it—I think at the last election they were promising a—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000232">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Do you mean the member for West Torrens?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000233">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  Sorry, Mr President. The member for West Torrens was promising a tram to Norwood at $300 million, so that presumably would have come out of the assets of the Housing Trust. I will not be lectured by the Labor Party. I will not be lectured about managing public housing when we have undertaken so many sensible reforms to get our housing—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000234">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000235">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000236">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —back into circulation and—</text>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000237">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000238">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20210907d6054d0c90de4925b0000239">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —get it on to a sustainable footing, which Labor could never do.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
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