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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2020-09-22" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, Second Session (54-2)</sessionName>
  <parliamentNum>54</parliamentNum>
  <sessionNum>2</sessionNum>
  <parliamentName>Parliament of South Australia</parliamentName>
  <house>Legislative Council</house>
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  <dateModified time="2022-08-06T14:30:00+00:00" />
  <proceeding>
    <name>Question Time</name>
    <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000080">
      <heading>Question Time</heading>
    </text>
    <subject>
      <name>Women's and Children's Hospital</name>
      <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000081">
        <heading>Women's and Children's Hospital</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2020-09-22">
            <name>Women's and Children's Hospital</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2020-09-22T14:30:02" />
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000082">
          <timeStamp time="2020-09-22T14:30:02" />
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Leader of the Opposition) (14:30):</by>  I seek leave to make a brief explanation before asking the Minister for Health and Wellbeing a question regarding hospitals.</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000083">Leave granted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000084">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  In July 2018, in response to reports that the proposed new Women's and Children's Hospital might cost $1.8 billion, the Minister for Health and Wellbeing at the time told ABC Radio:</text>
        <page num="1666" />
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000085">
          <inserted>Personally I think that cost estimate needs to be tested…There've been a number of recent Australian hospital builds including children's hospitals that have been delivered well below that cost per bed and I think it needs to be tested…on the face of it, it's a very costly project.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000086">Over the weekend, it has been revealed that the Women's and Children's Hospital task force estimated the cost of the new hospital at $1.895 billion. They put the due date for the final business case by March 2020, and suggested cost savings might be made from sharing services with the adjacent Royal Adelaide Hospital. Yesterday, on the wireless, the minister suggested pathology, pharmacy and back-of-house services might be shared to save costs on a new build. My questions to the minister are:</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000087">1.&amp;#x9;Why has the government refused to provide clinicians with information from the task force, including the costings and services that were recommended?</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000088">2.&amp;#x9;Why is the final business case for the hospital six months overdue, and what is the current deadline for the aforementioned final business case?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <startTime time="2020-09-22T14:31:37" />
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000089">
          <timeStamp time="2020-09-22T14:31:37" />
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE (Minister for Health and Wellbeing) (14:31):</by>  I thank the honourable member for his question. It is indeed the case that in mid-2018 I suggested that cost estimates made at that time needed to be tested. I also believe that is true of the cost estimate in the April 2019 briefing that the honourable member refers to.</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000090">It is, on its own face, a preliminary estimate of the cost of the Marshall Liberal government's new Women's and Children's Hospital. The development of a detailed business case that is currently underway is fleshing out the project and testing the costings. The briefing, on its own face, indicates that the costing was prepared based on an initial building concept developed for the purpose of testing that it will fit on the expansion site to the west of the Royal Adelaide Hospital. In other words, it was prepared in the context of the particular site location.</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000091">I am delighted that not only did this government get elected with a mandate to have an integrated Women's and Children's Hospital in the Royal Adelaide Hospital precinct, but that the early work, work that was started within 100 days of this government getting elected, confirmed that it was feasible—in fact preferable—to have the integrated hospital right next door to the new Women's and Children's Hospital.</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000092">Let's be clear: the Women's and Children's Hospital is a top priority for this government. We had a—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000093">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000094">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! I want to hear the minister.</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000095">
          <event kind="interjection">An honourable member interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000096">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000097">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  It is—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000098">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000099">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Honourable Leader of the Opposition, you asked the question; listen to the answer. The minister has the call.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000100">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  It is double the case because it was one of the key, distinctive health policy differences between the former Labor government and this government. Let's remember that it was seven years ago—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000101">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="3122">The Hon. I.K. Hunter interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000102">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter is out of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000103">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —that the former Labor government announced a new Women's and Children's Hospital. It is only three years ago since they abandoned that commitment. At the last election the people of South Australia had a choice: did they want—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000104">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="1667" />
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000105">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000106">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Did they want a tired—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000107">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000108">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000109">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —incompetent Labor government separating an institution much loved by the community of South Australia, separating it so that we had only the women's bit at the North Adelaide site and the children's hospital condemned to be unrenovated on the North Adelaide site indefinitely? We did not regard that as acceptable, in spite of the fact that Labor promised the project seven years ago—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000110">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5413">The Hon. E.S. Bourke interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000111">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Ms Bourke!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000112">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —and failed to do anything—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000113">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000114">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —to deliver it in four years, and in slightly over two years we are well on the way to delivering on that project.</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000115">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000116">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000117">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  We have a consultation—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000118">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000119">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Minister, sit down. A question has been asked, the minister is giving a significant answer which I'm sure he is getting close to wrapping up, but I would like—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000120">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="3125">The Hon. R.P. Wortley interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000121">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Wortley! I would like to hear him and I'm sure the opposition should like to hear him, but they can't do that if they keep yelling, and I won't abide yelling. The minister, to wrap up his answer, please.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000122">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Thank you, Mr President, and I will certainly do that. The people of South Australia had a clear choice at the last election: a government that was committed to an integrated hospital on the North Adelaide site—</text>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000123">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000124">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2020092261f92c62413e46c480000125">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  —or an opposition that was committed to dismantling a much-loved South Australian institution.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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