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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2020-06-18" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, Second Session (54-2)</sessionName>
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  <sessionNum>2</sessionNum>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Disability Services</name>
      <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000202">
        <heading>Disability Services</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="3126" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. D.G.E. HOOD</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <questions>
          <question date="2020-06-18">
            <name>Disability Services</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2020-06-18T14:56:51" />
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000203">
          <timeStamp time="2020-06-18T14:56:51" />
          <by role="member" id="3126">The Hon. D.G.E. HOOD (14:56):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Human Services. Can the minister outline what legal and/or policy constraints exist on what personal details can be shared publicly about individuals?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2020-06-18">
            <name>Disability Services</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2020-06-18T14:57:04" />
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000204">
          <timeStamp time="2020-06-18T14:57:04" />
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK (Minister for Human Services) (14:57):</by>  Thank you, Mr President, and I thank—</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000205">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000206">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The honourable Leader of the Opposition, you are trying my patience to the end. Minister for Human Services.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000207">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  I will start again.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000208">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Please.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000209">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  Thank you, Mr President, and I thank the honourable member for his excellent question. There are a number of legal and policy constraints on what can be shared publicly about individuals, and it would be good if the Labor Party could pay particular heed to these. The advice I have received from my department is that:</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000210">
          <inserted>To protect confidentiality and minimise risk, it is generally recommended—</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000211">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000212">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  No, to individuals. </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000213">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! Don't be diverted, minister, please.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000214">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  The advice is that:</text>
        <page num="1114" />
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000215">
          <inserted>…it is generally recommended that ministerial comments do not identify individuals and their circumstances. Particular attention should be given to the privacy of vulnerable individuals.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000216">
          <inserted>Premier and Cabinet Circular No. 12 sets out requirements under the Information Privacy Principles Instruction and regulates the way the State Government can disclose personal information.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000217">Which is as follows:</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000218">
          <inserted>You may not disclose personal information about someone for a purpose that is not the purpose of collection unless it falls under one of the below exceptions:</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000219">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>That the record-subject would reasonably expect it to be disclosed for another purpose and that purpose is related to the primary purpose of collection,</inserted>
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        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000220">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>The record-subject has consented,</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000221">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>You believe it to be reasonable to prevent or lessen a serious threat to life, health or safety of the record-subject or of someone else,</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000222">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>Disclosure is required or authorised by law,</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000223">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>Disclosure is reasonably necessary for enforcement of the criminal law, or a law imposing pecuniary penalty or the protection of public revenue, interests of the government, statutory authority or statutory office holder as an employer.</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000224">There are specific statutes as well which quite explicitly mean that anyone who is in a position to obtain information that is confidential should not disclose it. This includes child protection legislation, mental health, youth justice and SACAT.</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000225">The family did advise that they were grateful for the care their sister received. They advised that they don't have any concerns with staff at the service and do not want them to be blamed for her death. They also expressed that they did not wish for this to be a matter of media interest. They also did not wish for comparisons to be made with the tragic case of Ann Marie Smith.</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000226">I have advised that this matter is under investigation. I would repeat the fact that there are a number of allegations that have been aired by the Leader of the Opposition and the member for Hurtle Vale which are not correct and, in fact, I was somewhat concerned when the honourable member raised these yesterday, and I asked him whether he would ensure that they were provided forthwith. It appears from the shadow minister's own media release that some of these allegations were made on 1 June. I was not advised of this information. The shadow minister had specific allegations—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. Maher</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000227">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher:</by>  Because you don't ask, you're not interested, you're not serious.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000228">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000229">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —that she sat on for over two weeks—</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000230">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000231">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000232">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —specific, disturbing allegations that she sat on for two weeks because that is how much—</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000233">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000234">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000235">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —she cares about the welfare and wellbeing of vulnerable South Australians.</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000236">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000237">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000238">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  The email of 1 June from a whistleblower sent to the Hurtle Vale electorate office over two weeks ago.</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000239">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="1115" />
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000240">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000241">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  We all have a duty of care. The member for Hurtle Vale—</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000242">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000243">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000244">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —loves to remind everyone that she is a caring person because she's a nurse. Well, what—</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000245">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000246">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000247">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —kind of duty of care does it demonstrate to have allegations of that nature and not provide them to—</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000248">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000249">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000250">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —people who could follow up these matters? I think that raises a great deal of concern.</text>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000251">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000252">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! Minister, sit down. Question time is an opportunity for the opposition to ask questions, and the crossbench, and certainly members of the government. The questions are almost invariably asked and listened to in silence. The answers should also be listened to in silence. I am not going to continue to have this rabble. I will not deny the crossbench their questions. If this keeps up, I will just go straight to the crossbench, and I will listen to their questions for the rest of question time. Minister, please conclude your answer and let's move on.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618998311d0d46d497890000253">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  I am nearly finished, Mr President. I note that the member for Hurtle Vale posted a story about this page on her Facebook page. She received a comment from Kelly Vincent, which appears to have been deleted, but can I just echo Kelly's comments to the member for Hurtle Vale: you are profiting from grief and it's disgusting.</text>
      </talker>
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