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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2020-06-18" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, Second Session (54-2)</sessionName>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Pearce, Ms D.A.</name>
      <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000157">
        <heading>Pearce, Ms D.A.</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
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            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
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          <question date="2020-06-18">
            <name>Pearce, Ms D.A.</name>
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        <startTime time="2020-06-18T14:51:23" />
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000158">
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          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Leader of the Opposition) (14:51):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Human Services regarding disability services. Minister, can you outline the details of any conversations you have had with any members of the family of Debbie Pearce, who died after an incident in state-run care, for which you are responsible—for which you are responsible?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
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        <questions>
          <question date="2020-06-18">
            <name>Pearce, Ms D.A.</name>
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        <startTime time="2020-06-18T14:51:47" />
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000159">
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          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK (Minister for Human Services) (14:51):</by>  I will quite openly say that I have not directly spoken to the family, but my department, which has a—</text>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000160">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000161">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! The minister has been asked a question. The minister listened in silence; you will listen to the answer in silence.</text>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000162">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="1112" />
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000163">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Ms Bourke and the Hon. Ms Scriven, you do not speak while I am speaking. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000164">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  Which has had a—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. Maher</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000165">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher:</by>  Not once?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000166">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The honourable Leader of the Opposition, I am concerned about your attention span. I have just given a direction; listen to it. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000167">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  My department has a relationship with all of the families who are within our care, so the contact with them is entirely appropriate, that they should continue to be a point of contact for these families.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3122" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. I.K. Hunter</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000168">
          <by role="member" id="3122">The Hon. I.K. Hunter:</by>  Someone died and you didn't pick up the phone.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000169">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Hunter!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5412" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. C.M. Scriven</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000170">
          <by role="member" id="5412">The Hon. C.M. Scriven:</by>  They don't even deserve a call from you; is that what you're saying?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000171">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Ms Scriven!</text>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000172">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000173">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Please sit down. Are we going to listen to the answer or are we going to just constantly interrupt so that there is no answer? Otherwise we will just move on. Minister, please continue.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000174">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  In contrast to the shadow minister for human services, I am a little bit disturbed that we are still trying to get to the bottom of what those conversations may have been with the family in the context of whether they were misled or misunderstood; that she may have been conducting her own investigation into this matter. So I am quite concerned on a range of levels about the activities of the member for Hurtle Vale, allegations—</text>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000175">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000176">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="2742" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200618a9baf83e19ff4ab1a0000177">
          <by role="member" id="2742">The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK:</by>  —that have been raised in inappropriate circumstances, matters which are factually incorrect, which have been placed on the public record inappropriately, and which have subsequently been provided to the media.</text>
      </talker>
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