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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2020-05-13" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, Second Session (54-2)</sessionName>
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  <sessionNum>2</sessionNum>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Pathology Services</name>
      <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000159">
        <heading>Pathology Services</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2020-05-13">
            <name>Pathology Services</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2020-05-13T14:57:03" />
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000160">
          <timeStamp time="2020-05-13T14:57:03" />
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Leader of the Opposition) (14:57):</by>  My questions are to the Minister for Health regarding pathology. How does the minister reconcile his comments about not having the time or inclination to answer correspondence from a private company with the minister's previous comments about the need for public and private health providers to join forces and work together? I note a 4 May press release from the minister to that effect.</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000161">Secondly, has the minister in fact yet responded to Clinpath's email or is he ignoring this and potentially other correspondence of offers to help during this pandemic? Finally, having had time now to reflect, will the minister now apologise for his intemperate remarks directed at a private health company attempting to help with testing during this pandemic?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2020-05-13">
            <name>Pathology Services</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2020-05-13T14:57:56" />
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000162">
          <timeStamp time="2020-05-13T14:57:56" />
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE (Minister for Health and Wellbeing) (14:57):</by>  I thank the honourable member for his question.</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000163">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000164">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Minister for Health and Wellbeing, please answer the question when the Leader of the Opposition is finished. Are you finished, Leader of the Opposition?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000165">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  Yes.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000166">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Okay, thank you. Minister.</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000167">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000168">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Well, he doesn't need any help. Minister for Health and Wellbeing.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="715" />
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000169">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  I would like to thank the honourable member for his question. I think perhaps the simplest way for me to respond to the honourable member's question is to read my letter to Dr Whitehead:</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000170">
          <inserted>The Marshall Liberal government has demonstrated its commitment to the best health outcomes for South Australians and its willingness to marshal all the resources of the state to that end, including during the COVID-19 pandemic.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000171">
          <inserted>As we move from the containment phase to the suppression phase, we are keen to engage the private pathology sector in relation to how it can contribute to the pandemic response in South Australia—</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000172">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000173">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT</by>:  Order! Let the minister complete his answer. Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000174">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  The letter continues:</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000175">
          <inserted>—in particular, how it could strengthen our capacity to test for COVID-19, trace cases and contacts and respond rapidly to outbreaks.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000176">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000177">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Leader of the Opposition, listen.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000178">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  It continues:</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000179">
          <inserted>To plan and coordinate the surveillance effort, the Department for Health and Wellbeing has established—</inserted>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5413" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. E.S. Bourke</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000180">
          <by role="member" id="5413">The Hon. E.S. Bourke:</by>  Did you just realise you have a fundraising event tomorrow?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000181">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Ms Bourke!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000182">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Sorry, Mr President, I just want a chance to give an answer.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000183">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Minister, just take a seat. The Hon. Ms Bourke, the honourable Leader of the Opposition, the minister is on his feet. He is answering the question. If you have a supplementary question, we may consider that. Minister, please continue.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000184">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  It continues:</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000185">
          <inserted>To plan and coordinate the surveillance effort, the Department for Health and Wellbeing has established a COVID-19 Surveillance Committee. The committee is being chaired by the Chief Public Health Officer, Professor Nicola Spurrier.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000186">
          <inserted>Public and private pathology services will be engaged through a consultative forum. To facilitate competitive neutrality, no provider will be represented on the Committee.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000187">
          <inserted>I look forward to collaboration across the pathology services of the State to support South Australia's response to the global pandemic and maximise the health and wellbeing of South Australians.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000188">That's the end of the quote from the letter.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4697">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000189">
          <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER:</by>  Point of order, Mr President: will the minister table the document from which he is reading now?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000190">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Mr President, I would have thought that that request could wait till the end of my answer.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000191">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  I think you are right.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000192">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  It's hardly a point of order to ask for a document to be tabled.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000193">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  No, it's not a point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>An honourable member</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000194">
          <by role="office">An honourable member:</by>  He's got no manners.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000195">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  It's not that he's got no manners; he's got no idea of how the house works.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000196">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! Just continue with your answer, and then—</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000197">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. Maher interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <page num="716" />
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000198">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order! Please, complete your answer.</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000199">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000200">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  That letter—</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000201">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000202">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Minister, take a seat. The minister will complete his answer. If you wish to request him to table a document, you can do so when he has finished his answer. We will listen in silence to the rest of his answer. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000203">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  That letter is completely consistent with our approach since day one of government. We have said—</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000204">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000205">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  Mr President, could I please have the opportunity to answer the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000206">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Order!</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000207">
          <event kind="interjection">An honourable member interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000208">
          <by role="office">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Do you want to hear the answer or not? Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3164" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. S.G. WADE</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000209">
          <by role="member" id="3164">The Hon. S.G. WADE:</by>  From day one of this government we said that we would use public and private resources completely focused on delivering the best health outcomes for South Australians. Let's think of a couple of examples that we have done. We have established a Patient Services Panel, which allows us to buy—my latest recollection is 13 private hospitals were signed up for that panel so that we could buy private hospital services for public patients. Then, when the COVID-19 pandemic came, we were more than happy to be part of a national approach to engaging private hospitals in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Let's be clear, every Labor government in Australia signed up for that deal.</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000210">This is a government that has demonstrated that we are more than willing to be partners with the private sector in delivering the best possible outcomes for public patients. In the context of COVID-19 and pathology services, we will be doing the same again. But the reality is that the largest pathology service in South Australia is SA Pathology. At the start of the pandemic, not even SA Pathology had the capacity to COVID-19 test. They very rapidly got that capacity. They ramped it up to a world-leading testing regime.</text>
        <text id="20200513fe4255d5b02940a2a0000211">As the pandemic progresses, I am sure there will be opportunities to partner with the private sector, but whether it is the Patient Services Panel, whether it is the private hospital agreement with the commonwealth, or whether it is pathology services, this government's laser focus will be on delivering the best outcomes for South Australian patients and taxpayers.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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