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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2019-07-02" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Fourth Parliament, First Session (54-1)</sessionName>
  <parliamentNum>54</parliamentNum>
  <sessionNum>1</sessionNum>
  <parliamentName>Parliament of South Australia</parliamentName>
  <house>Legislative Council</house>
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  <reviewStage>published</reviewStage>
  <startPage num="3955" />
  <endPage num="3994" />
  <dateModified time="2022-08-06T14:30:00+00:00" />
  <proceeding>
    <name>Answers to Questions</name>
    <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000649">
      <heading>Answers to Questions</heading>
    </text>
    <subject>
      <name>Probate Registry</name>
      <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000650">
        <inserted>
          <heading>Probate Registry</heading>
        </inserted>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2019-06-05" qonNum="139">
            <name>Probate Registry</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000651">
          <inserted>139 <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Leader of the Opposition) </by>(5 June 2019).  Can the Attorney-General advise?</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000652">
          <inserted>1.&amp;#x9;Is the Attorney-General aware of concerns about delays in processing applications in the Probate Registry?</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000653">
          <inserted>2.&amp;#x9;What was the level of funding for the Probate Registry in 2016-17, 2017-18, and 2018-19?</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000654">
          <inserted>3.&amp;#x9;How many staff were employed at the Probate Registry in 2016-17, 2017-18, and 2018-19?</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000655">
          <inserted>4.&amp;#x9;How long are the delays currently being experienced at the Probate Registry?</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000656">
          <inserted>5.&amp;#x9;What action is the Attorney-General taking to resolve the delays at the Probate Registry?</inserted>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="605" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. R.I. LUCAS</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <questions>
          <question date="2019-06-05" qonNum="139">
            <name>Probate Registry</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000657">
          <inserted>
            <by role="member" id="605">The Hon. R.I. LUCAS (Treasurer):</by>  I have been advised:</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000658">
          <inserted>The new Electronic Courts Management System (ECMS) was implemented on 26 November 2018 and has enjoyed broad support from the profession and the public by introducing the ability to electronically file applications.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000659">
          <inserted>An independent review of the implementation of ECMS in the Probate Registry was conducted by a consultant from Escient. </inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000660">
          <inserted>The review confirmed the new system is meeting the original objectives of the ECMS project by:</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000661">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>reducing technology and vendor risk;</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000662">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>replacing paper based systems with electronic systems; and</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000663">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">
            <inserted>providing new online services with increased access to court information, particularly with the grant of probate being made publicly available.</inserted>
          </item>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000664">
          <inserted>However, the report also highlighted delays that are currently being experienced for processing of applications for grants of probate which have been caused by a number of factors, including:</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000665">
          <inserted>Introduction of ECMS has led to a significant increase in the number of unrepresented applicants</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000666">
          <inserted>ECMS was designed to improve access to justice by guiding applicants through the process using a smart form. This approach helps applicants to avoid common mistakes in completing an application. As a result of this new process, this has led to a significant increase in the number of personal applicants.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000667">
          <inserted>The overall number of personal applications lodged in the six months from when the system went live on 26 November 2018 until 26 May 2019 is 606 (compared to only 151 filed during the previous 12 months).</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000668">
          <inserted>While the form is much simpler to complete, applicants are still requiring assistance from registry staff in respect to procedural issues with their applications often related to the contents and physical state of the paper will. This has meant that registry examining officers have had to spend far greater amounts of time at the counter assisting parties.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000669">
          <inserted>Impact of Higher Courts Redevelopment Project</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000670">
          <inserted>Due to a relocation of the registry as part of the Higher Courts Redevelopment Project, several days were lost during the move. Additional time has also been lost due to noise disruptions from buildings works which has impacted on registry operations.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000671">
          <inserted>Retirement of relieving examining officer</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000672">
          <inserted>A very experienced retired solicitor who had previously been available to relieve for examining officers when they took leave has retired from the role. I understand the Probate Registry is currently looking at alternatives to replace her.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000673">
          <inserted>Current Registrar and Deputy Registrar to retire</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000674">
          <inserted>Both the Registrar and Deputy Registrar have announced their intention to retire. A new Registrar commenced on Monday 17 June 2019 and a recruitment process will soon be underway for a new Deputy Registrar. As part of this process, a new structure is being considered to make registry resourcing more resilient.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000675">
          <inserted>In regard to the level of funding for the Probate Registry in 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19, I am advised that the total funding was:</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000676">
          <inserted>
            <table>
              <rowtitle>
                <cell />
                <cell>2016-17</cell>
                <cell>2017-18</cell>
                <cell>2018-19</cell>
              </rowtitle>
              <rowtitle>
                <cell>Total funding</cell>
                <cell>$795,103</cell>
                <cell>$815,901</cell>
                <cell>$836,417</cell>
              </rowtitle>
            </table>
          </inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000677" />
        <page num="3990" />
        <text continued="true" id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000678">
          <inserted>In regard to how many staff were employed at the Probate Registry in 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19, I am advised that:</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000679">
          <inserted>
            <table>
              <rowtitle>
                <cell />
                <cell>2016-17</cell>
                <cell>2017-18</cell>
                <cell>2018-19</cell>
              </rowtitle>
              <row>
                <cell>Actual FTEs</cell>
                <cell>8.3</cell>
                <cell>8.0</cell>
                <cell>7.5</cell>
              </row>
              <row>
                <cell>Budgeted AFTEs (includes turnover)</cell>
                <cell>7.9</cell>
                <cell>7.9</cell>
                <cell>7.9</cell>
              </row>
            </table>
          </inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000680" />
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000681">
          <inserted>The implementation of the ECMS system for the Probate office from 26 November 2018 planned for a reduction in staff from around 8 FTE to 5 FTE. This is currently in transition. The FTE reduction is in administrative support. The number of examining officers has not been reduced.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000682">
          <inserted>As at 6 June 2019, average time to dispose of a grant of probate was 38 days. However, longer delays can occur when requisitions are issued for applications which require additional explanations, e.g. when an original will appears to have been tampered with. When a requisition is issued the matter is placed back in the hands of the party as they need to address the deficiency and then resubmit the appropriate documentation to the registry.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2019070235e9934bf45b47a390000683">
          <inserted>As members will know, grants of probate are a judicial matter which fall under the responsibility of the Chief Justice and the Courts Administration Authority. Nevertheless, I am advised that the Attorney-General has raised this issue with the Acting Chief Justice.</inserted>
        </text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
</hansard>