Legislative Council Fifty-Fourth Parliament, First Session (54-1) 54 1 Parliament of South Australia Legislative Council published Question Time Housing Trust Rent Housing Trust Rent The Hon. J.E. HANSON Legislative Council Housing Trust Rent The Hon. J.E. HANSON (14:41): No political polemic from me. My question is to the Minister for Health and Wellbeing. An honourable member Legislative Council An honourable member: Human Services. The Hon. J.E. HANSON Legislative Council The Hon. J.E. HANSON: Human Services. I apologise, Mr President. When diligently writing my question, I wrote down the wrong name. The Hon. J.M.A. Lensink Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. Lensink: It starts with an H. The Hon. J.E. HANSON Legislative Council The Hon. J.E. HANSON: Thank you; so do I. Can the minister identify where, in any of the Liberal Party's pre-election documents, it was stated that a Marshall Liberal government would increase Housing Trust rents? The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council Minister for Human Services The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK (Minister for Human Services) (14:42): I thank the honourable member for his question. No, I can't, because the stated policy has always been that Housing Trust tenants are charged 25 per cent of household income or market rent, whichever is the lower. I was actually unaware that there were people in Housing Trust properties who weren't paying 25 per cent. But this gives me great opportunity, before we all were called to order for being disorderly, to remind members about the situation that we are in where public housing in South Australia has been made unsustainable by the actions and raiding of the former Labor administration. Members interjecting: The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: Order! I cannot hear the minister. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: I shouldn't respond to interjections, but I did hear the Leader of the Opposition say that what I had said wasn't true. I actually tabled a ministerial statement in relation to— The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: The Hon. Ms Pnevmatikos, you have a point of order. The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS Legislative Council The Hon. I. PNEVMATIKOS: Relevance, sir, in terms of the question that was put. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: I take the point, but the minister has some latitude under Erskine May. But I am attentive to your point of order. Minister, continue. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: Thank you, Mr President, I appreciate the sensitivities of the members of the opposition in not liking the truth. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: Minister, do not descend to their level, please. The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: You are a party of liars. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: The Hon. Mr Hunter, that's unparliamentary. Can you please withdraw it and we will move on? The Hon. I.K. HUNTER Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. HUNTER: Mr President, I don't believe calling the party liars is unparliamentary— The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: No, but it's unparliamentary so— The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: —but if I have offended you, sir, I do withdraw it. The Hon. R.P. WORTLEY Legislative Council The Hon. R.P. WORTLEY: Point of order, Mr President. I remember the Hon. Ms Lensink calling this minister a liar, and this house endorsed it. They actually endorsed the subject, so there is a bit of inconsistency there. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: Thank you for your history. I have invited the Hon. Ian Hunter to respond to what I consider unparliamentary language. I am not sure it is a point of order, the Hon. Mr Wortley; his historical reflections to the chamber were a completely different point of order because that was around a question of liar and liars, and that was a decision by the chamber. Have I sufficiently distinguished it for you, the Hon. Mr Wortley? Thank you, the Hon. Mr Hunter for your apology. Minister, can you please continue. The Hon. I.K. HUNTER Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. HUNTER: Point of order, sir. I didn't apologise: I withdrew. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: No, you apologised to me, though. The Hon. I.K. HUNTER Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. HUNTER: I did to you, of course, always. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: That's why I was thanking you. Minister, continue with your answer. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: I will try not to provoke those opposite, which is not that difficult. It is very, very sensitive about this issue, which well they should be. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: Minister, please continue with your answer. Members interjecting: The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: Order! I cannot hear the minister speaking. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: The triennial review, which was commissioned by the previous government under the act, which was tabled in this place, quite clearly painted the picture of the situation that we find ourselves in in government. The three things— The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: To solve the problem, you are going to increase rents— The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: —that the Labor Party did— The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: —for the most vulnerable Housing Trust tenants. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: —to solve the problem of their reckless budgets were— The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: That's what you do: drive up the prices and the costs for these most vulnerable people. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: —raid the Housing Trust, raid the assets, sell properties by the thousands. The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: You're not going to go anywhere else; you go straight to the most vulnerable and you jack up their rents. That's the Liberal reaction. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: The Hon. Mr Hunter, I cannot hear. It is one of your own party's questions. I cannot hear the response. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: Seven and a half thousand properties in 10 years; $10 billion; they cut the cash from the Housing Trust; in the last financial year $70 million to prop up Labor's reckless spending pre-election budget. They cut the maintenance budget and they never did any asset review since 2003. The Hon. I.K. Hunter Legislative Council The Hon. I.K. Hunter: One-bedroom studio apartments; 19 per cent and you are jacking it up. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: The Hon. Mr Hunter, the question was not directed to you: it was directed to the minister, and the Hon. Mr Hanson is having difficulty hearing the response to his own question. Minister. The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK Legislative Council The Hon. J.M.A. LENSINK: The budget decision is to ask all Housing Trust tenants to be on the same level policy, which is 25 per cent of household income or market rent, whichever is the lower. The Hon. K.J. Maher Legislative Council The Hon. K.J. Maher: Your decision or the budget decision? Supplementary. Members interjecting: The Hon. K.J. Maher Legislative Council The Hon. K.J. Maher: I am allowed supplementaries. The President Legislative Council The PRESIDENT: The Hon. Mr Hanson was to his feet before you, the Leader of the Opposition. The Hon. Mr Hanson.