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  <date date="2016-11-03" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Third Parliament, Second Session (53-2)</sessionName>
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    <name>Bills</name>
    <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000556">
      <heading>Bills</heading>
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    <subject>
      <name>Constitution (Demise of the Crown) Amendment Bill</name>
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        <bill id="s3990">
          <name>Constitution (Demise of the Crown) Amendment Bill</name>
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      <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000557">
        <heading>Constitution (Demise of the Crown) Amendment Bill</heading>
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      <subproceeding>
        <name>Second Reading</name>
        <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000558">
          <heading>Second Reading</heading>
        </text>
        <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000559">Adjourned debate on second reading.</text>
        <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000560">(Continued from 6 July 2016.)</text>
        <talker role="member" id="4866" kind="speech">
          <name>The Hon. A.L. McLACHLAN</name>
          <house>Legislative Council</house>
          <startTime time="2016-11-03T15:24:07" />
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000561">
            <timeStamp time="2016-11-03T15:24:07" />
            <by role="member" id="4866">The Hon. A.L. McLACHLAN (15:24):</by>  I rise to speak to the Constitution (Demise of the Crown) Amendment Bill 2016. I speak on behalf of my Liberal colleagues. The Liberal opposition supports the second reading of the bill. Accompanying the introduction of the bill was a pithy second reading speech by the minister but, on reflection, it may have been a touch taciturn. I start with the existential proposition that this bill seeks to solve a potential theoretical problem which, on closer examination, may not be a problem at all.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000562">In the DNA of every Liberal there is an inherent reluctance to legislate on a whim. Instead, we seek out the truth and exercise caution before making law. This is not the habit of the Labor benches, considering that, as their socialist hearts tell them, they are the font of all knowledge, and this gives them the right to legislate on a whim. In other words, the volume of the legislation is their goal, not the utility of the legislation.</text>
          <page num="5372" />
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000563">There appears to be no truer expression of this than is encapsulated in this bill. Against this backdrop, I question the need for this bill. Nevertheless, the Liberal Party is inclined to support the passage of the bill because it has a minimal impact on the lives of South Australians, and it seems to be an occasion where the application of the precautionary principle is called for. In other words, we will allow the bill to pass because our support for it to become law is out of an abundance of caution.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000564">A maxim you are taught early in your legal education is, 'The king never dies.' This means that there is no break in succession upon the death of a monarch. However, the monarch acts in two capacities: one, as a natural body subject to death and the other, as a body politic, which is a corporation sole. The latter is deemed to be immortal. I acknowledge that the powers exercised by a monarch in a personal capacity do not necessarily survive the demise of the Crown, unless specifically cured. These include:</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000565">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the summoning of parliament, resulting in immediate dissolution;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000566">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">commissions or offices held at the pleasure of a monarch, resulting in immediate cessation of office—examples include ministers, judges, public officials and military officers;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000567">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">grants and privileges given other than by royal grant;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000568">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">all legal proceedings abated; and</item>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000569">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">claims against the Crown involving matters personal to the previous sovereign, such as fault and personal debt, could not be enforced against the subsequent sovereign.</item>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000570">However, it is my understanding that the rules regarding the demise of the Crown in this state have been cured by statute. I am guided in this opinion by the late federal court justice Brad Selway. He was one of our leading legal minds whom I knew professionally. In the mid-nineties, he was the state's solicitor-general. He was taken too early from us at the age of 50. In his treatise <term>The Constitution of South Australia</term>, he makes clear that the state parliament was established by statute, not by the common law. Therefore, it will not be dissolved on the demise of the Crown.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000571">According to Selway, although the rules regarding the demise of the Crown were received law in South Australia, the inconveniences I previously referred to have largely been cured by statute. He elaborates, arguing that the commonwealth and state parliaments are all established by statute, as I have said, and not by common law. Therefore, it is generally accepted in the law that parliaments established by statutes are not dissolved. Further, the Demise of the Crown Act 1901 (United Kingdom) provides in section 1(1):</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000572">
            <inserted>The holding of any office under the Crown, whether within or without His Majesty's dominions, shall not be affected, nor shall any fresh appointment thereto be rendered necessary, by the demise of the Crown.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000573">Selway states:</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000574">
            <inserted>This provision applies by paramount force in South Australia. [Not only does] the provision avoid the common law rule that officers are vacated by the demise of the Crown, it also avoids the requirement that officers who take an oath of office, must take a fresh oath on the demise of the Crown.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000575">Selway further states:</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000576">
            <inserted>Where an office is created or held pursuant to statute and the statute impliedly grants tenure to the office holder (as applies to most judges and public servants) such a statute would also seem to exclude the common law consequences of the demise of the Crown.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000577">
            <inserted>2.3.3&amp;#x9;The distinctions between royal grants and other grants and privileges have been rendered inapplicable in that almost all grants and privileges are now governed by statute and are unaffected by the demise of the Crown.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000578">
            <inserted>2.3.4&amp;#x9;The rule that all legal proceedings abated upon the death of the monarch has been overcome by statutory provisions. Section 1 of the Act of 1547 for 'the Continuance of Actions after the Death of any King of this Realm' provides that legal proceedings between party and party shall not be discontinued by the demise of the Crown.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000579">Selway writes that this statute was received law into each of the Australian colonies. He continues:</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000580">
            <inserted>More importantly, ss 4 and 5 of Statute 1 Anne (1702), c 2 provide that, notwithstanding the demise of the monarch, all then existing types of criminal, civil, prerogative and equitable proceedings are to continue.</inserted>
          </text>
          <page num="5373" />
          <text continued="true" id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000581">Again, Selway is of the view that this statute applied by paramount force to the colonies. Although these statutes have been replaced in whole or in part in the United Kingdom, in South Australia they still provide the basis for the continuance of legal proceedings upon the demise of the Crown.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000582">Lastly, the distinction drawn in England between the personal and official or corporate capacities of the monarch in determining whether or not liability attaches to a monarch's successor has, according to Selway, little or no application in Australia. From the decision in China Ocean Shipping and South Australia [1979], it follows that it can be asserted that all debts and liabilities incurred by the Crown in Australia are incurred in an official or corporate capacity and that such debts and liabilities do not abate upon the demise.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000583">Furthermore, the Crown Proceedings Act 1992 provides statutory rights of recovery in respect of debts and liabilities incurred by the government. Such statutory rights would also survive. In summary, I believe Selway rightly argued that the difficulties that might arise upon the demise of the Crown have been appropriately cured. I acknowledge that there is some support for this bill to be found in a 1984 report from the Law Reform Committee of South Australia. However, this report was in the context of repealing the imperial statutes relating to the demise of the Crown and replacing them with a bill similar to the one before us.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000584">As to the application of these imperial statutes, South Australia follows the essential principle that all English law, up to the date of settlement both enacted and not enacted, was received into South Australian law from 28 December 1836 when this province was established. This ensured that the new province was immediately subject to the rule of law and that there has been no legal vacuum. After this date, the principle that imperial statute applied by paramount force became fundamental to South Australian law.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000585">I am not one of those in the legal fraternity who has the view that the effect of the imperial statutes that were enacted to mitigate the effect of the demise of the Crown are piecemeal and that their application is uncertain. In my perspective, the imperial statutes are easy enough to find and apply. Further, since this report, a suite of legislation known collectively as the Australia Act were passed by both the commonwealth and Westminster in 1986. Presumably, section 3 of the Australia Act (Commonwealth) has been used by the government and parliamentary counsel to render unnecessary the repeal of the Imperial statutes currently in place. I ask the minister to clarify this and detail advice as to why this position has not been deemed sufficient.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000586">I note that similar legislation has been adopted in several commonwealth jurisdictions. A similar rationale appears to have been adopted as being put forward for this bill. Commentary from other states on this issue has come to the same conclusion as I have—that it is most unlikely that the demise of the Crown would have any substantive effect upon the parliament or the offices of persons appointed under the Crown. However, in an effort to provide certainty, the default position has been to support a similar type of bill, if for no other reason than that it is clear that there will be no significant consequence when it does occur.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000587">My questions for the government are: has the government received advice from the Solicitor-General? If advice has been received, is it on the basis of that advice that the government has taken a different view to that of Mr Selway? Is the government able to provide the chamber with examples where it anticipates difficulties on an occasion where there will be a demise of the Crown? In closing, I note that, after South Australia achieved self-government in 1857, the state has had to survive the passing of Queen Victoria in 1901, Edward VII in 1910, George V in 1936 and George VI in 1952. It seems we have done remarkably well without this bill.</text>
        </talker>
        <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="speech">
          <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
          <house>Legislative Council</house>
          <electorate id="">Minister for Employment, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation, Minister for Manufacturing and Innovation, Minister for Automotive Transformation, Minister for Science and Information Economy</electorate>
          <startTime time="2016-11-03T15:33:42" />
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000588">
            <timeStamp time="2016-11-03T15:33:42" />
            <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Minister for Employment, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation, Minister for Manufacturing and Innovation, Minister for Automotive Transformation, Minister for Science and Information Economy) (15:33):</by>  I thank honourable members for their contribution to this bill. The Hon. Andrew McLachlan has raised some questions during this debate in his typically colourful, flowery and verbose manner which we have all come to love and appreciate in this chamber. The advice is that the government cannot point to a specific past example where the demise of the Crown has had an unwanted effect in this state. However, the objective of this bill is to put the question of the effect of the demise of the Crown beyond doubt, because it is not currently beyond absolute doubt.</text>
          <page num="5374" />
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000589">The honourable member helpfully quoted from Bradley Selway's <term>The Constitution of South Australia </term>and I know that, as a former lawyer at the Crown Solicitor's Office, that text was routinely handed out to a person who was either starting a summer internship or on their first day working for the Crown. However, I do not think Mr Selway's opinion was couched in completely unequivocal terms. Mr Selway argued that the inconveniences of the common law rules that acts of the monarch in a personal capacity did not survive the demise of the Crown were 'largely' cured by statute. I think Mr Selway specifically stated that 'it would now seem to be accepted that Parliaments established by statute are not dissolved by the demise of the Crown'—I think 'seem' is an important word there—and that the relevant statute 'would also seem to exclude the common law consequences of the demise of the Crown.'</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000590">The government is aware that the former Law Reform Committee of South Australia produced a report in 1984 on the topic of the demise of the Crown. The committee then recommended legislating to address uncertainty, stating on page 5 of its report, in relation to the piecemeal imperial and local statutes:</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000591">
            <inserted>it is inconvenient to have such scattered legislation; the language of some of the old Acts is not in keeping with modern times and might lead to…technical legal argument on the validity of certain things done;</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000592">The residual uncertainty leaves open the possibility of a legal challenge, and the government is acting out of an abundance of caution with this bill, as the Hon. Mr McLachlan said.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000593">Further support for legislating is found in the fact that other states, including New South Wales, Queensland, Tasmania and Victoria, have previously enacted various provisions in their constitution acts dealing with the demise of the Crown—for example, specific provisions ensuring the continuation of parliament, legal processes, appointments and the use of the public seal. Section 3 of the Australia Acts provide essentially for the validity of state laws which are inconsistent with imperial or UK statutes. In further response to the Hon. Mr McLachlan's question on the drafting approach taken, I can confirm that the government considers it appropriate to address the issue of the uncertain effect of demise of the Crown in the terms in which this bill is drafted.</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000594">Bill read a second time.</text>
        </talker>
      </subproceeding>
      <subproceeding>
        <name>Committee Stage</name>
        <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000595">
          <heading>Committee Stage</heading>
        </text>
        <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000596">Bill taken through committee without amendment.</text>
      </subproceeding>
      <subproceeding>
        <name>Third Reading</name>
        <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000597">
          <heading>Third Reading</heading>
        </text>
        <talker role="member" id="4697" kind="speech">
          <name>The Hon. K.J. MAHER</name>
          <house>Legislative Council</house>
          <electorate id="">Minister for Employment, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation, Minister for Manufacturing and Innovation, Minister for Automotive Transformation, Minister for Science and Information Economy</electorate>
          <startTime time="2016-11-03T15:38:15" />
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000598">
            <timeStamp time="2016-11-03T15:38:15" />
            <by role="member" id="4697">The Hon. K.J. MAHER (Minister for Employment, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation, Minister for Manufacturing and Innovation, Minister for Automotive Transformation, Minister for Science and Information Economy) (15:38):</by>  I move:</text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000599">
            <inserted>That this bill be now read a third time.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="20161103923e2dd68ab84bf2b0000600">Bill read a third time and passed.</text>
        </talker>
      </subproceeding>
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