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  <name>Legislative Council</name>
  <date date="2013-11-28" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Second Parliament, Second Session (52-2)</sessionName>
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  <sessionNum>2</sessionNum>
  <parliamentName>Parliament of South Australia</parliamentName>
  <house>Legislative Council</house>
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  <proceeding>
    <name>Question Time</name>
    <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000486">
      <heading>Question Time</heading>
    </text>
    <subject>
      <name>Northern Zone Rock Lobster Fishery</name>
      <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000487">
        <heading>NORTHERN ZONE ROCK LOBSTER FISHERY</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="1820" kind="question">
        <name>The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <electorate id="">Leader of the Opposition</electorate>
        <questions>
          <question date="2013-11-28">
            <name>NORTHERN ZONE ROCK LOBSTER FISHERY</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2013-11-28T14:25:00" />
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000488">
          <timeStamp time="2013-11-28T14:25:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1820">The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY (Leader of the Opposition) (14:25):</by>  I seek leave to make a brief explanation before asking the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Fisheries a question about rock lobsters.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000489">Leave granted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1820" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000490">
          <by role="member" id="1820">The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY:</by>  On Tuesday, 26 November I asked the minister a question on the northern zone rock lobster fishery regarding the 2007 management plan which recommended the use of spatial management. Her answers were insufficient and only served to offend the rock lobster industry.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000491">To answer one of my own earlier questions to the minister I can confirm that, due to the considerable uncertainty as a result of the declaration of the minister's marine park sanctuary zones, the Rock Lobster Fishery Management Advisory Committee suspended further development of the Northern Zone Rock Lobster Commercial Fishery Management Plan. Not only that, despite the minister's attempt to mislead us—that is, the South Australian Rock Lobster—</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000492">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="17">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3122">
        <name>The Hon. I.K. HUNTER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000493">
          <by role="member" id="3122">The Hon. I.K. HUNTER:</by>  Point of order, Mr President.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1822">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000494">
          <by role="member" id="1822">The PRESIDENT:</by>  There is a point of order. Leave out the opinion and the debate.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3122">
        <name>The Hon. I.K. HUNTER</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000495">
          <by role="member" id="3122">The Hon. I.K. HUNTER:</by>  It is an absolute outrage that the Leader of the Opposition would stand in this place and allege that the Leader of the Government has misled the house. It is outrageous and I ask that he withdraw it.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1822">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000496">
          <by role="member" id="1822">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Ridgway to withdraw.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1820">
        <name>The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000497">
          <by role="member" id="1820">The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY:</by>  I will withdraw it if it pleases the minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1822">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000498">
          <by role="member" id="1822">The PRESIDENT:</by>  You will withdraw?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1820">
        <name>The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000499">
          <by role="member" id="1820">The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY:</by>  I will withdraw.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000500">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="17">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1822">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000501">
          <by role="member" id="1822">The PRESIDENT:</by>  The Hon. Mr Ridgway, perhaps it would be safer if you just got to your question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1820">
        <name>The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000502">
          <by role="member" id="1820">The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY:</by>  I only have a little bit more of an explanation, Mr President.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1822">
        <name>The President</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000503">
          <by role="member" id="1822">The PRESIDENT:</by>  Well, Hendrik is up there waiting. The Hon. Mr Ridgway.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1820">
        <name>The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000504">
          <by role="member" id="1820">The Hon. D.W. RIDGWAY:</by>  The South Australian Rock Lobster Advisory Committee was able to present very detailed information on the recalculation of the displaced effort. This includes information from expert fisheries scientists Associate Professor Caleb Gardner and Dr Ian Knuckey. This information was also reviewed by fisheries management expert Steven McCormack, who agreed that SARLAC's approach was perfectly legitimate but a more conservative approach was preferred.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000505">The rock lobster industry members met with the minister, Mr Mehdi Doroudi, and minister Hunter's chief of staff on 24 July where these findings were presented. This means the minister is well aware of this scientific information. My questions are:</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000506">1.&amp;#x9;Why does the minister continue to accuse the South Australian Rock Lobster Advisory Committee of not providing its own scientific information, when it clearly has?</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000507">2.&amp;#x9;Why was the scientific information from the experts ignored by the government?</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000508">3.&amp;#x9;If marine park and sanctuary zones are meant to maintain our marine biodiversity is it not hypocritical to ignore the advice that suggests that the current model will possibly result in overfishing?</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000509">4.&amp;#x9;In the absence of an approved management plan due to the marine park process, is the 2007 management plan the current management plan for the northern zone rock lobster fishery?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1821" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. G.E. GAGO</name>
        <house>Legislative Council</house>
        <electorate id="">Minister for Agriculture, Food and Fisheries, Minister for Forests, Minister for Regional Development, Minister for the Status of Women, Minister for State/Local Government Relations</electorate>
        <startTime time="2013-11-28T14:27:00" />
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000510">
          <timeStamp time="2013-11-28T14:27:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1821">The Hon. G.E. GAGO (Minister for Agriculture, Food and Fisheries, Minister for Forests, Minister for Regional Development, Minister for the Status of Women, Minister for State/Local Government Relations) (14:27):</by>  I thank the honourable member for his questions. It is just outrageous: it is obvious that the Leader of the Opposition failed to listen to my response clearly yesterday. I indicated quite clearly that extensive consultation had occurred. In fact, the reason that the northern rock lobster plan was delayed—because this other one has gone through—was that the industry itself, fishers from the northern zone, requested that it be delayed further. I assented to their request and have delayed the completion of that zone plan until those fishers are in a position to be able to proceed. Part of the reason they requested that was because of the introduction of marine parks.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000511">Now, the southern rock lobster zone did not see that as any issue to slow down their process. However, the northern zone fishers did, and I listened to the industry and its view was that it wanted to wait and see until the marine park zoning had been completed so that they could be confident about any impacts that it might have on their fishery before finalising the plan.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000512">However, having said that, a great deal of work has gone into that plan; it is near completion. We have consulted extensively with the industry, and I have agreed to the industry request to delay it further until after the implementation of the marine parks. I am happy to do that, so it is absolutely misleading of the honourable member to come into this place and indicate that I in fact have not considered their input. I have already outlined in detail the issue around the scientific data. We have agreed to disagree on the scientific data. We have, as I have indicated in this place, listened to the industry, looked at all the information they have provided to us and considered that extremely carefully. However, we disagree with the conclusion they have come to.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000513">We have applied a fair way of calculating displaced effort across the fisheries. The northern rock lobster zone believe they should have a special formula applied to them. They have not been able to provide us with any evidence that would indicate that we need to reconsider the way we have calculated that displaced effort. We have considered their data in great detail, and our scientists simply disagree with their calculations. They are not able to challenge the work we have done. In fact, they have indicated that the work we have done is of high integrity; it is just that their view is that it should be done in a different way, that they should have a special formula applied to them.</text>
        <page num="6007" />
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000514">As I have indicated in this place, the issue for us is that we get the balance right. It is a matter of making sure we displace the effort the marine parks impact on, but they are fishing licences we are removing, they are people's business, they are families, most of which are located and living in regions. If we remove too many, we will potentially face removing too many licences and unnecessarily taking licences off businesses and families when it is their livelihood. So, it is important that we get the balance right between accurately displacing effort and not unnecessarily removing too many businesses from our fisheries; those businesses are very important to South Australia and to our regions.</text>
        <text id="2013112818d4a2cbeb0b434ca0000515">We believe we have that balance right. Almost all the other fisheries have moved on and accepted that this is a fair and reasonable way to go. The only people who believe that they warrant special consideration is this northern rock lobster fishery, and, as I said, we simply do not agree with the calculations they have brought to us.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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