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  <sessionName>Fifty-Fifth Parliament, First Session (55-1)</sessionName>
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  <proceeding continued="true">
    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Housing Trust</name>
      <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000804">
        <heading>Housing Trust</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9" kind="question">
        <name>Ms PRATT</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Frome</electorate>
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          <question date="2022-10-19T00:00:00+10:30">
            <name>Housing Trust</name>
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        <startTime time="2022-10-19T15:04:22+10:30" />
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          <by role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9">Ms PRATT (Frome) (15:04):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Human Services. When will the minister resolve the issue of an empty Housing Trust property in Fulham. With your leave, sir, and that of the house, I will explain.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633" referenceid="daab39c192204b0f88930f68be57ad22">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">West Torrens</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Infrastructure and Transport</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Energy and Mining</name>
          </portfolio>
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        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000806">
          <by role="member" id="633" referenceid="daab39c192204b0f88930f68be57ad22">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  Point of order.</text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000807">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  There is a point of order from the member for West Torrens under 134.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633" referenceid="daab39c192204b0f88930f68be57ad22">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">West Torrens</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Infrastructure and Transport</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Energy and Mining</name>
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        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000808">
          <by role="member" id="633" referenceid="daab39c192204b0f88930f68be57ad22">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  Standing order 97 says:</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000809">
          <inserted>In putting any such question, a Member may not offer argument or opinion, nor may a Member offer any facts except by leave of the house.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000810">In the body of her question, the member included facts in the question about the house and its state.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000811">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Yes, it may also be that the question sought to introduce opinion or an element of argument, but in any case I am going to offer the member the opportunity to recast the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>Ms PRATT</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Frome</electorate>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000812">
          <by role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9">Ms PRATT:</by>  Thank you, Mr Speaker. Will the minister commit to resolving the issue relating to an empty Housing Trust property in Fulham? With your leave, and that of the house, I will explain.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000813">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  There is no point of order before me, member for Frome, but it occurs to me that that question is infected with the same difficulty. It may be that there is a way to recast it. I will give you the opportunity.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>Ms PRATT</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Frome</electorate>
        <page num="1896" />
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000814">
          <by role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9">Ms PRATT:</by>  Mr Speaker, I thank you again. Will the minister commit to resolving the issue that relates to a Housing Trust property in Fulham and, as I stated before—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000815">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Well, member for Frome, that introduces the difficulty that there is an issue with a home in a particular locality. I am going to allow the question.</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000816">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000817">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>Ms PRATT</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Frome</electorate>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000818">
          <by role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9">Ms PRATT:</by>  Mr Speaker, I also sought your leave and that of the house to explain further.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000819">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Very well. Leave is sought; is leave granted?</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000820">Leave granted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9" kind="question" continued="true">
        <name>Ms PRATT</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Frome</electorate>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000821">
          <by role="member" id="6897" referenceid="281302ba05f944788bbdc4aa3396e0c9">Ms PRATT:</by>  It has come to the opposition's attention that an empty Housing Trust property at Fulham has been left in a squalid condition. Footage from inside the home shows rubbish and dog food strewn throughout the property, power points ripped out of the walls, windows smashed and drug paraphernalia left lying around the kitchen. Issues at this property were raised with the minister's office five months ago and have still not been resolved.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <startTime time="2022-10-19T15:06:54+10:30" />
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000822">
          <timeStamp time="2022-10-19T15:06:54+10:30" />
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK (Hurtle Vale—Minister for Human Services) (15:06):</by>  I thank the member for the question. There are several things to say. This was raised with my office some months ago as a matter of antisocial behaviour. The member for Colton has received responses in relation to that. This is not an empty home; this is a tenanted home. Someone has entered the home and taken vision of it. That was not their home to take vision of. This matter actually, in terms of the research I have done since finding out about this, goes back to 2019. I was not the minister then.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5377" referenceid="84fdb62c8e6644ce93a7ff01f8e92c3d" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Cowdrey</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Colton</electorate>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000823">
          <by role="member" id="5377" referenceid="84fdb62c8e6644ce93a7ff01f8e92c3d">Mr Cowdrey:</by>  The house was not in that state.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000824">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000825">
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK:</by>  The honourable member in the other place—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="5377" referenceid="84fdb62c8e6644ce93a7ff01f8e92c3d" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Cowdrey</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Colton</electorate>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000826">
          <by role="member" id="5377" referenceid="84fdb62c8e6644ce93a7ff01f8e92c3d">Mr Cowdrey:</by>  Don't mislead the house.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000827">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  The member for Colton is on three warnings. The minister has the call.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000828">
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK:</by>  There are several things. In the last four—</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000829">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000830">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000831">
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK:</by>  In the last four years, 200 staff were removed from the housing authority under the previous government. That is 20 per cent.</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000832">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="6887" referenceid="a698e5b3774342a1b25d8bbef65f519c">Mrs Hurn interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000833">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Schubert!</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000834">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4343" referenceid="98bc9886f8ef4f70897848c1d1c59c00">The Hon. J.A.W. Gardner interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000835">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Morialta!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000836">
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK:</by>  I would love to be able to—</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000837">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4343" referenceid="98bc9886f8ef4f70897848c1d1c59c00">The Hon. J.A.W. Gardner interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000838">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  The member for Morialta is called to order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000839">
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK:</by>  —recruit that many staff in that time, but it's very difficult. Two hundred staff were removed.</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000840">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="6887" referenceid="a698e5b3774342a1b25d8bbef65f519c">Mrs Hurn interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000841">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Schubert!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. N.F. COOK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hurtle Vale</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Human Services</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
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        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000842">
          <by role="member" id="4978" referenceid="368de1362390438688364d1b4dfc2b82">The Hon. N.F. COOK:</by>  Every year, the number of public housing properties went down. It has significantly compromised the ability of the tenancy officers, the housing officers, to be able to do deep and meaningful work with tenants who have a range of complex challenges in their housing properties. This tenant clearly has complex problems.</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000843">The ability for us to respond does have legal parameters around it. In the last five months, this particular property has been subject to a number of visits and formal warnings, as well as offers of help, so there is a process underway. There is a process underway to follow up this particular tenancy that is occupied by a very vulnerable person who has complex degrees of challenges that we are working with.</text>
        <text id="2022101949595a671014413ba0000844">If the local member, and indeed the shadow minister asking the question, would like to have a conversation regarding this tenancy, I would be very happy to do so. We would like to see this person living a much better life and that property being looked after in a much better way. But, as I said, my information is that that property has been a challenge since 2019. It is tenanted; it is not a vacant property.</text>
      </talker>
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