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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Women's and Children's Hospital</name>
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        <heading>Women's and Children's Hospital</heading>
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      <talker role="member" id="6890" referenceid="26cba13494444aab95a84e3bf90e4042" kind="question">
        <name>Ms SAVVAS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Newland</electorate>
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          <question date="2022-09-28T01:00:00+09:30">
            <name>Women's and Children's Hospital</name>
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        <startTime time="2022-09-28T14:45:29+09:30" />
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          <by role="member" id="6890" referenceid="26cba13494444aab95a84e3bf90e4042">Ms SAVVAS (Newland) (14:45):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Health and Wellbeing. Can the minister inform the house of the time lines associated with the new Women's and Children's Hospital?</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <question date="2022-09-28T01:00:00+09:30">
            <name>Women's and Children's Hospital</name>
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        <startTime time="2022-09-28T14:45:41+09:30" />
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON (Kaurna—Minister for Health and Wellbeing) (14:45):</by>  Thank you very much to the member for Newland. I, firstly, appreciate her question and her interest in making sure that we have appropriate services for women, children and babies for this state for the long term. This, as we know, is a project that has been discussed for a long time, but we haven't actually seen any construction work happen on it over the past nine years that this has been discussed as a project. In fact, over the past four years, $53 million has been spent on this project without any sod being turned on that site, any construction underway.</text>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000650">Of course, the original promise that we had in terms of time lines, which I have been asked about, was a commitment that was made by the member for Dunstan—it's great to see him here—where he said, 'In our first 100 days, we will establish a high-level task force to drive the project and develop a fully costed project plan with a view to achieving co-location by 2024.'</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
        <portfolios>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  2024—so that's not very far away now that that project—</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000654">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order! The minister has the call.</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order! The member for Schubert is called to order. The minister has the call.</text>
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        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  Of course, that is not very far away, and for anybody to suggest that a hospital of this magnitude could be built within 18 months, I think, is significantly off the mark. So that time line went completely out the window. In fact, what we know is that it was a task force that was completed. In fact, that task force report was never made public; it wasn't released publicly. But in fact then there was a whole lot of inaction for a whole period of time, there were more delays, more plans—</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Chaffey!</text>
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        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  —being worked on, but I think it is fair to say—</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for West Torrens! Member for Florey! The minister has the call.</text>
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        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  —that these repeated delays in terms of this project are because of the site. I don't think it's because of the people who were working on it necessarily. I think it's because there is no way of making a hospital work on that site that gets the clinical outcomes that this state needs for women and children and babies. So many compromises would have to be made for that to happen, and that's why we have seen—</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000665">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Schubert!</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  —delay after delay after delay on that site, and that's why—</text>
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          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4840" referenceid="7be4bfb1b1dd4eaaae45edf2f9c24e36">Mr Tarzia interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000668">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Hartley!</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  —when we came to government we immediately sought an update in terms of this project and what we were told was that the time lines were blowing out—at that stage, at the very earliest the end of 2027, if not 2028 by that stage. We were immediately told that the budget was blowing out ahead of what had been budgeted the previous year by the previous government and we were told that many of the clinical issues that have been raised could not be resolved, and that's why—</text>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000670">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000671">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order! The minister has the call.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000672">
          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  —we appointed Jim Hallion an expert group—</text>
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          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000674">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Wright!</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  That's why we appointed Jim Hallion an expert group to undertake that work to get a full picture of where that project was up to and any alternatives that we could proceed with. What we have heard in the past couple of days—</text>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000676">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000677">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Flinders!</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. C.J. PICTON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Kaurna</electorate>
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            <name>Minister for Health and Wellbeing</name>
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          <by role="member" id="4841" referenceid="b5dd6c590e5b44e38a00cc2313e6e5cc">The Hon. C.J. PICTON:</by>  —is that somehow this project was shovel ready on that triangle site is completely wrong—completely wrong. There is no way that that project is shovel ready. In fact, references have been made to Lendlease being appointed. Well, they haven't been appointed to actually do the construction yet, only the early planning. There still needs to be more procurement done for the actual construction component of the project.</text>
        <text id="20220928ace4f9b0b759410d90000679">Time expired.</text>
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