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  <date date="2017-09-27" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Third Parliament, Second Session (53-2)</sessionName>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Land Services SA</name>
      <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000499">
        <heading>Land Services SA</heading>
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      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="question">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Bragg</electorate>
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            <name>Deputy Leader of the Opposition</name>
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          <question date="2017-09-27">
            <name>Land Services SA</name>
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        <startTime time="2017-09-27T15:04:10" />
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000500">
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          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN (Bragg—Deputy Leader of the Opposition) (15:04):</by>  Supplementary: just to be absolutely clear, Treasurer, what documents have been made public in respect of the features of this contract other than your statements in this parliament and material that your department has published, authored by them, that is not parts of the contract? On my assessment, there is not one single clause of this contract that is available publicly.</text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000501">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Of course, that question is expressed in an entirely out of order way, but we will let it go.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">West Torrens</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Finance</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for State Development</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Mineral Resources and Energy</name>
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        <startTime time="2017-09-27T15:04:41" />
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000502">
          <timeStamp time="2017-09-27T15:04:41" />
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS (West Torrens—Treasurer, Minister for Finance, Minister for State Development, Minister for Mineral Resources and Energy) (15:04):</by>  Yes, sir, I have just been accused of misleading the parliament.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000503">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  No, I'm asking a simple question: what are the documents?</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000504">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  You are asking a question with a veiled accusation in the middle of it, saying how can we possibly trust what we said. The truth is that the Department of Treasury and Finance, the Attorney-General's Department and DPTI, which oversee the Lands Titles Office, are public servants of the highest integrity, and the idea that somehow we are releasing false information to the public about the interaction with the Lands Titles Office commercialisation and them is just false. The Deputy Leader of the Opposition has offered no evidence at all. She is just throwing out accusations under privilege hoping to land a mark. I have to say that that sort of conspiracy theory has no place in this parliament.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000505">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  Show us the document.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000506">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  There we are—again, you are guilty until proven innocent. Well, if that's the standard that the deputy leader wants, apply it to the member for Mount Gambier.</text>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000507">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000508">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order, sir.</text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000509">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Point of order. The week started so well with the live television coverage and now we are back to where we were.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000510">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  The Treasurer is in breach of standing order 98.</text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="11166" />
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000511">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  He is.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000512">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  Every aspect of the contract that impacts South Australians has been made public. I know that the Speaker doesn't want me to respond to interjections, but—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000513">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  The standing orders don't want you to respond to interjections.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000514">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  I won't be, sir, but thank you very much for the impartial advice you are offering me. Again, every aspect of the commercialisation that we have come to an agreement on with the consortium that impacts South Australians has been made public, but there are some aspects of it that remain confidential as they should. For example, many aspects of the privatisation of ETSA still remain confidential to this very day and they remain confidential because members opposite, when they privatised these assets for 200 years, decided to give the proponents who bought these assets a level of confidentiality that lasts the length of the contract.</text>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000515">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4342">Mr van Holst Pellekaan interjecting:</event>
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        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000516">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  The shadow treasurer. The member opposite asks, 'Which members of the opposition?' The shadow treasurer, the man that the opposition proposed to make Treasurer of South Australia, that man.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000517">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  We have strayed again from the matter at hand: 98.</text>
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      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000518">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  I uphold the point of order.</text>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000519">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="4342">Mr van Holst Pellekaan interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20170927834818ea2f284354b0000520">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  That's quite okay.</text>
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