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  <sessionName>Fifty-Third Parliament, Second Session (53-2)</sessionName>
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  <proceeding>
    <name>Bills</name>
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      <heading>Bills</heading>
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    <subject>
      <name>Legal Services Commission (Miscellaneous) Amendment Bill</name>
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        <bill id="r3909">
          <name>Legal Services Commission (Miscellaneous) Amendment Bill</name>
        </bill>
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      <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000145">
        <heading>Legal Services Commission (Miscellaneous) Amendment Bill</heading>
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      <subproceeding>
        <name>Introduction and First Reading</name>
        <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000146">
          <heading>Introduction and First Reading</heading>
        </text>
        <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="speech">
          <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
          <house>House of Assembly</house>
          <electorate id="">Enfield</electorate>
          <portfolios>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Deputy Premier</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Attorney-General</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Justice Reform</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Planning</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Industrial Relations</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Child Protection Reform</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for the Public Sector</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Consumer and Business Services</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for the City of Adelaide</name>
            </portfolio>
          </portfolios>
          <startTime time="2016-02-24T12:01:07" />
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000147">
            <timeStamp time="2016-02-24T12:01:07" />
            <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU (Enfield—Deputy Premier, Attorney-General, Minister for Justice Reform, Minister for Planning, Minister for Industrial Relations, Minister for Child Protection Reform, Minister for the Public Sector, Minister for Consumer and Business Services, Minister for the City of Adelaide) (12:01):</by>  Obtained leave and introduced a bill for an act to amend the Legal Services Commission Act 1977. Read a first time.</text>
        </talker>
      </subproceeding>
      <subproceeding>
        <name>Second Reading</name>
        <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000148">
          <heading>Second Reading</heading>
        </text>
        <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="speech">
          <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
          <house>House of Assembly</house>
          <electorate id="">Enfield</electorate>
          <portfolios>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Deputy Premier</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Attorney-General</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Justice Reform</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Planning</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Industrial Relations</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Child Protection Reform</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for the Public Sector</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for Consumer and Business Services</name>
            </portfolio>
            <portfolio id="">
              <name>Minister for the City of Adelaide</name>
            </portfolio>
          </portfolios>
          <startTime time="2016-02-24T12:01:24" />
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000149">
            <timeStamp time="2016-02-24T12:01:24" />
            <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU (Enfield—Deputy Premier, Attorney-General, Minister for Justice Reform, Minister for Planning, Minister for Industrial Relations, Minister for Child Protection Reform, Minister for the Public Sector, Minister for Consumer and Business Services, Minister for the City of Adelaide) (12:01):</by>  I move:</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000150">
            <inserted>That this bill be now read a second time.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000151">Currently the Legal Services Commission Act of 1977 establishes a 10-member commission comprising the following persons who are appointed by the Governor:</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000152">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">a chairman, who is a person holding judicial office or a legal practitioner of not less than five years' standing nominated by the Attorney-General;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000153">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">one person who is, in my opinion, an appropriate person to represent the interests of assisted persons;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000154">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">three persons nominated by the Attorney-General;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000155">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">three persons nominated by the Law Society;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000156">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">one employee of the commission on the nomination of the employees of the commission; and</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000157">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the director of the commission.</item>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000158">The commission is a representative rather than a skills-based board. The bill reduces the number of commissioners that comprise the commission from 10 to five and makes skills, knowledge and expertise the relevant factors when appointing a commissioner. The catalyst for this bill can be traced back to February 2011 when a review of the provision of legal aid in state criminal cases by the commission was announced. The review was conducted by a committee of senior legal practitioners being led by Mr Martin Hinton QC (the Solicitor-General), Mr Michael Abbott QC, Mr Ralph Bonig, his Honour Judge Muscat and Mr Mark Norman SC.</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000159">
            <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman interjecting:</event>
          </text>
        </talker>
        <talker kind="speech" role="office">
          <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
          <house>House of Assembly</house>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000160">
            <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Order! Deputy leader.</text>
        </talker>
        <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="speech" continued="true">
          <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
          <house>House of Assembly</house>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000161">
            <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU:</by>  The committee released four reports and they are actually all very good, I have to say. Of particular relevance is its third report entitled 'The Governance Structure of the Commission and a Public Defender's Office for South Australia'. The committee recommended a change to the governance structure of the commission. The committee was critical of the current composition of the commission and stated:</text>
          <page num="4387" />
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000162">
            <inserted>A very real question arises as to the benefit that the Commission as currently constituted brings to the contemplated operations of the organisation.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000163">It goes on:</text>
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            <inserted>[T]he current composition of the Commission may also exclude skills of benefit to the Commission. Members possessing skills in management, public administration—</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000165">
            <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman interjecting:</event>
          </text>
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        <talker kind="speech" role="office">
          <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
          <house>House of Assembly</house>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000166">
            <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Order! The deputy leader is called to order.</text>
        </talker>
        <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="speech" continued="true">
          <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
          <house>House of Assembly</house>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000167">
            <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU:</by>  It continues:</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000168">
            <inserted>—and service delivery could benefit the Commission.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000169">After taking into consideration the size and composition of various commissions around Australia it was determined that a bill would establish a five-member commission comprising the following:</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000170">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">a chair nominated by the Attorney-General, who must be a person holding judicial office or a legal practitioner or not less than five years' standing;</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000171">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the director; and</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000172">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">three other members nominated by the Attorney-General of whom:</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000173">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">at least one must have experience in financial management; and</item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000174">
            <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">at least one must be able to represent the interests of legally-assisted persons.</item>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000175">The bill addresses concerns that legal practitioners would not be sufficiently represented in the newly constituted board in two ways.</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000176">First, the Attorney-General must consult with the Law Society and Bar Association before nominating a person for appointment to the commission. I note that an exception is made for the nominee who has experience with financial management. The Attorney-General is not required to consult the Law Society and the Bar Association on that appointment. All appointments will continue to be made by the Governor in Executive Council.</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000177">Secondly, the bill establishes the legal profession reference committee. The reference committee is given broad jurisdiction to advise the commission in relation to any matter referred to it or any of the commission's functions under the act. The reference committee comprises seven members. The Law Society and the Bar Association will each be given the power to nominate two members to the reference committee.</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000178">The reference committee is based on the Queensland model. The Queensland reference committee meets three times a year to advise the commission about fees paid to private practitioners, panels and grants of aid. One point of contrast with the Queensland model is that the South Australian reference committee will be established by legislation, whereas the Queensland reference group is not. One of the consequences of reducing the number of commissioners is that there will only be four eligible members to hear appeals, because the director is excluded. Those four members will not be able to manage the appeals process if the legislation is to continue to require appeals to be heard by three commission members.</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000179">In 2015, the commission met 22 times during the year and heard 146 appeals. Accordingly, the bill provides that appeals will continue to be heard by three people, with at least one commission member and up to two people drawn from a panel of assessors. The commission will establish a panel of assessors with suitably qualified persons to hear the appeals. I commend the bill to members and seek leave to insert the explanation of clauses in <term>Hansard</term> without my reading it.</text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000180">Leave granted.</text>
          <bookmark>Explanation of Clauses</bookmark>
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            <inserted>
              <subheading>Explanation of Clauses</subheading>
            </inserted>
          </text>
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            <item>
              <inserted>Part 1—Preliminary</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000183">
            <item>
              <inserted>1—Short title</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000184">
            <item>
              <inserted>2—Commencement</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <page num="4388" />
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000185">
            <item>
              <inserted>3—Amendment provisions</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000186">
            <inserted>These clauses are formal.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000187">
            <item>
              <inserted>Part 2—Amendment of <term>Legal Services Commission Act 1977</term></inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000188">
            <item>
              <inserted>4—Amendment of section 5—Interpretation</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000189">
            <inserted>This amendment inserts a 'pointer' definition for the Legal Profession Reference Committee and is consequential on the establishment of that Committee under proposed section 11A in clause 7 of this measure.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000190">
            <inserted>5—Amendment of section 6—Constitution of Legal Services Commission</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000191">
            <inserted>This clause amends section 6 of the Act to reduce the number of members of the Commission from 10 members to 5. The amendment also changes the constitution of the Commission to be made up of—</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000192">
            <item sublevel="2" bullet="true">
              <inserted>the Director of the Commission;</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000193">
            <item sublevel="2" bullet="true">
              <inserted>the Chairperson who must be a person holding judicial office or a legal practitioner of 5 or more years standing. This person is to be appointed by the Governor on the nomination of the Attorney-General;</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000194">
            <item sublevel="2" bullet="true">
              <inserted>3 other persons, at least 1 of whom must have experience in financial management and 1 of whom must be an appropriate person to represent the interests of assisted persons. These members are to be appointed by the Governor on the nomination of the Attorney-General following consultation with the Law Society and the South Australian Bar Association in relation to the person representing the interests of assisted persons.</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000195">
            <inserted>6—Amendment of section 8—Quorum etc</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000196">
            <inserted>As a consequence of reducing the number of members of the Commission, this amendment reduces the number of members required to constitute a quorum of the Commission from 5 members to 3 members and deletes subsection (1a) which is no longer required.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000197">
            <inserted>7—Insertion of section 11A</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000198">
            <inserted>This clause inserts a new section.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000199">
            <inserted>11A—Legal Profession Reference Committee</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000200">
            <item sublevel="2">
              <inserted>The proposed section provides for the Commission to establish the Legal Profession Reference Committee to advise the Commission in relation to matters it refers to it or that relate to any of the Commission's functions under the Act, or to perform any other functions assigned to it under the Act. The Reference Committee is to consist of 7 members including the Chairperson, the Director and an employee of the Commission, as well as 2 members nominated by the Law Society and 2 members nominated by the South Australian Bar Association.</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000201">
            <inserted>8—Amendment of section 12—Advisory and other committees</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000202">
            <inserted>This amendment is consequential on the amendment in clause 6 and the establishment of the Legal Profession Reference Committee.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000203">
            <inserted>9—Insertion of sections 12A and 12B</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000204">
            <inserted>This clause inserts 2 new sections to provide for an appeal panel to hear appeals against decisions of the Director of the Commission under Part 4 of the Act and to provide for the inclusion of assessors on the panel. This is as a consequence of reducing the number of members of the Commission to ensure that there are a sufficient number of persons to hear the appeals.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000205">
            <inserted>12A—Appeals</inserted>
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          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000206">
            <item sublevel="2">
              <inserted>The proposed section provides that appeals against decisions of the Director under Part 4 of the Act are to be heard by a panel of 3 persons of whom at least 1 must be a member of the Commission and, depending on the number of Commission members on the panel, may include up to 2 assessors selected from a panel of assessors established by the Commission under proposed section 12B. The clause also provides for who is to preside at a hearing.</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000207">
            <inserted>12B—Panel of assessors</inserted>
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          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000208">
            <item sublevel="2">
              <inserted>The proposed section provides for the establishment of a panel of persons by the Commission who may sit as assessors on an appeal panel. The panel of assessors is to consist of persons who, in the opinion of the Commission, have appropriate qualifications and experience. Members of the panel may be appointed for a term not exceeding 3 years, on conditions determined by the Commission. An assessor is precluded from participating in the hearing of a matter if the person has a personal, or a direct or indirect interest in the matter.</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <page num="4389" />
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000209">
            <inserted>10—Amendment of section 13—Delegation</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000210">
            <inserted>This amendment clarifies that the inclusion of assessors on a panel hearing an appeal of a decision of the Director is not precluded by the prohibition on the Commission to delegate the power to hear and determine appeals contained in section 13(2)(b) of the Act.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000211">
            <inserted>11—Amendment of section 18C—Director to determine scale of fees for professional legal work</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000212">
            <inserted>This amendment provides that consultation under this section is with the Legal Profession Reference Committee rather than the Law Society.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000213">
            <inserted>12—Amendment of section 19—Determination and payment of legal assistance costs to legal practitioners (other than Commission practitioners)</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000214">
            <inserted>This amendment provides that consultation under this section is with the Legal Profession Reference Committee rather than the Law Society.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000215">
            <inserted>13—Amendment of section 31A—Secrecy</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000216">
            <inserted>This amendment ensures that the operation of section 31A of the Act (which deals with issues of confidentiality) extends to members of the Legal Profession Reference Committee and members of the panel of assessors.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000217">
            <inserted>14—Amendment of section 33A—Immunity</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000218">
            <inserted>This amendment extends the operation of section 33A to provide for the same immunity to apply to members of the panel of assessors as applies to members of the Commission.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text continued="true" id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000219">
            <inserted>15—Amendment of section 34—Regulations</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000220">
            <inserted>This amendment deletes subsection (2) and is consequential on the amendments relating to the changes to the constitution of the Commission. Nominations by employees of the Commission are no longer relevant.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000221">
            <item>
              <inserted>Schedule 1—Transitional provision</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000222">
            <item>
              <inserted>1—Transitional provision</inserted>
            </item>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000223">
            <inserted>This provision provides for transitional arrangements in relation to the changes to the membership of the Commission effected by this measure.</inserted>
          </text>
          <text id="201602243aba36084c71475d80000224">Debate adjourned on motion of Ms Chapman.</text>
        </talker>
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