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    <name>Question Time</name>
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      <name>Ministerial Staff</name>
      <text id="2014111268eb6f31a13e4486b0000513">
        <heading>Ministerial Staff</heading>
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      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="question">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Bragg</electorate>
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            <name>Deputy Leader of the Opposition</name>
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          <question date="2014-11-12">
            <name>Ministerial Staff</name>
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          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN (Bragg—Deputy Leader of the Opposition) (14:46):</by>  This is to the Attorney: why does it take the Attorney four weeks, since the issue of the potential of this practice being exposed and the potential destruction of documents, including the emails in breach of the State Records Act, which has been identified in the ICAC report—</text>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Can we come to the question, please.</text>
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        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  Why does it take four weeks for you to write an email to send out to the staff in the government that they are not allowed to destroy any emails if they have used this practice, and they are to cease this practice, which has clearly been indicated by the commissioner?</text>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  I think we have got the question. Deputy Premier.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Enfield</electorate>
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            <name>Deputy Premier</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Attorney-General</name>
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            <name>Minister for Justice Reform</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Planning</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Housing and Urban Development</name>
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            <name>Minister for Industrial Relations</name>
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          <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU (Enfield—Deputy Premier, Attorney-General, Minister for Justice Reform, Minister for Planning, Minister for Housing and Urban Development, Minister for Industrial Relations) (14:47):</by>  Mr Speaker, the member for Bragg, once more, in an attempt to make a point, slightly overshoots it. She is evoking the final scenes from <term>Downfall</term> where, in late April-early May of 1945, a large number documents are being loaded into incinerators.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2014111268eb6f31a13e4486b0000519">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  Point of order.</text>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  I think the Deputy Premier is not only being germane, he is being witty.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2014111268eb6f31a13e4486b0000521">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  No, not this time, sir. I think it is a bit like the Chewbacca defence: it has fallen flat; it has been used so many times. It is a question of relevance: 1945 is quite a distance away and has nothing to do with his—</text>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  But it is about hiding documents; they have that in common.</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  If there has been an admission that these documents exist, it is even more concerning as to why it has taken four weeks to draft an edict to the staff in government that they are not to do this.</text>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  I am intrigued; continue.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU:</by>  To do this properly, Mr Speaker, I have to have my glasses on originally—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3119" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. T.R. Kenyon</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2014111268eb6f31a13e4486b0000526">
          <by role="member" id="3119">The Hon. T.R. Kenyon:</by>  Don't let your hand shake!</text>
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      <talker role="member" id="1810" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.R. RAU</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="member" id="1810">The Hon. J.R. RAU:</by>  —and my hand needs to shake. Look, the situation is essentially this: I know, and all of us know, that it is not appropriate for these behaviours to go on. I am confident that all ministers and members of parliament have read the commissioner's report and have taken appropriate action. I can assure the member for Bragg that there have not been bonfires burning in the courtyards of various ministries, and I know of no attempt at all—no attempt at all—to go around searching for or destroying any documents.</text>
        <text id="2014111268eb6f31a13e4486b0000528">As I have said, there are questions about exactly how one can best, by way of an instrument, if that is what is required, enable the Premier to promulgate this in some official fashion. There is no question about what the position is.</text>
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        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
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          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Further supplementary.</text>
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