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    <name>Ministerial Statement</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Fire and Emergency Services</name>
      <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000788">
        <heading>Fire and Emergency Services</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Light</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Disabilities</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Police</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Correctional Services</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Emergency Services</name>
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          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Road Safety</name>
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        <startTime time="2014-08-05T16:02:57" />
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000789">
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          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO (Light—Minister for Disabilities, Minister for Police, Minister for Correctional Services, Minister for Emergency Services, Minister for Road Safety) (16:02):</by>  Earlier today, the member for Hammond, during his grievance, made a couple of assertions which I would say are incorrect. It is unfortunate—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3120">
        <name>Mr PEDERICK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000790">
          <by role="member" id="3120">Mr PEDERICK:</by>  Point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000791">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  He can make a ministerial statement, which is what he is doing.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3120">
        <name>Mr PEDERICK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000792">
          <by role="member" id="3120">Mr PEDERICK:</by>  Has he sought leave?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="1363" />
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000793">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Leave is sought?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000794">
          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO:</by>  Yes, madam.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000795">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Leave is granted, minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000796">
          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO:</by>  Thank you, Deputy Speaker. As I have mentioned, the member for Hammond made a number of assertions, during his grievance earlier today, regarding the review of the emergency services sector, which I am undertaking in response to the Holloway report, which was tabled in parliament late last year.</text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000797">It is unfortunate that the member for Hammond has made a number of assertions, given that he has not attended any of the briefings I have provided or any of the round tables, so he is actually working on hearsay evidence. He could have asked the member for Goyder, the member for Mount Gambier—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000798">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000799">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  The member for Morialta has a point of order. What is your point of order?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000800">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  The convention of the house is that ministerial statements are circulated as they are being read, so I ask that this be done in this case.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000801">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  I think that this is it coming down the pathway now, is it?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3120">
        <name>Mr PEDERICK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000802">
          <by role="member" id="3120">Mr PEDERICK:</by>  I don't think it is, Madam Deputy Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000803">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  You don't think it is.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000804">
          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO:</by>  Madam Deputy Speaker, the statement will follow. As I said, the member for Hammond could have asked the member for Goyder, the member for Mount Gambier or the member for Finniss, who have attended the round tables or, alternatively, a number of Liberal staffers who have also attended these forums. So, to suggest that somehow I did not consult him in the open is a pretty weak case put by him. The second point he made is that I have not consulted widely on the consultation process completed, and to give an indication of the places I have actually visited and the people I have spoken with. I have attended:</text>
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          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the MFS Murray Bridge;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000806">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Murray Bridge;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000807">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the SES Murray Bridge;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000808">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the SAAS Murray Bridge;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000809">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the SAAS Tailem Bend;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000810">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Tailem Bend;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000811">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Jervois (I think that is in your electorate, Member for Hammond; I think that is correct. In fact, one of the members from that CFS actually attended more than one of these forums);</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000812">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Jamestown;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000813">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the MFS/SES complex in the Riverland;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000814">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Waikerie;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000815">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Napperby;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000816">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the MFS Port Pirie;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000817">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the SES Port Pirie;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000818">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Parndana;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000819">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the SES/CFS Kingscote;</item>
        </text>
        <page num="1364" />
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000820">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the VMR at Kingscote;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000821">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">the CFS Naracoorte;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000822">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">CFS Group HQ at Naracoorte;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000823">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">CFS/SES Mount Gambier;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000824">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">MFS Mount Gambier;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000825">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">CFS Ardrossan;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000826">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">CFS/SES Maitland;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000827">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">CFS Port Victoria;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000828">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">RVCP at Port Victoria;</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000829">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">CFS/SES Port Lincoln; and</item>
        </text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000830">
          <item sublevel="1" bullet="true">MFS Port Lincoln.</item>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000831">I have held forums in Barmera, Port Augusta, Clare, Noarlunga, Belair, Kangaroo Island, Mawson Lakes, Hahndorf, Mount Gambier, Maitland and Port Lincoln. In addition, SAFECOM HQ staff there, also CFS/SES HQ staff, MFS HQ staff, SES unit managers, also the MR Council. I have also visited the Coromandel Valley CFS, Concordia CFS, the AVCG new vessel launch, and the MFS Gawler. Through this whole process I have been engaging with the volunteer sector to discuss with them the proposed review. Regarding the other assertion that I somehow prohibited the taking of cameras, there were photographs taken by a whole range of people at these forums. They came out—</text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000832">
          <event kind="interjection">An honourable member interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000833">
          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO:</by>  I am sure there was; that is fine. I did not in any way, as asserted, try to persuade people otherwise. If members do not believe me they can ask the members who did attend, like the member for Finniss, the member for Goyder and the member for Mount Gambier. They were there; they can actually put it correctly regarding whether I did or did not. In fact, one of the pictures was taken by a journalist, because it appeared in the <term>Port Lincoln Times</term> this week. So to suggest that this process has not been open or transparent is just a nonsense. It is unfortunate—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000834">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order. The minister has spoken for another seven minutes since advising that copies of the ministerial statement were, in fact, on their way. I note that he is wrapping up, he is straying from his script, so I assume that what he is about to say does not form part of that ministerial statement—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000835">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  I think he has finished—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000836">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  —which I am sure is on its way now.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000837">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Are you nearly finished, minister?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3121" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Pengilly</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000838">
          <by role="member" id="3121">Mr Pengilly:</by>  He sure is.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000839">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Member for Finniss, let us just listen to the end of the statement.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000840">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Madam Deputy Speaker, if he has not finished—as was your suggestion—can I ask you to rule on whether the convention of the house that materials be provided is, in fact, supposed to be maintained?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000841">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  You know it is, and I have taken him at his word that it is on its way. What can I do? If you told me something I would have to take it—</text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000842">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000843">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000844">
          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO:</by>  Two things: first of all—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="1365" />
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000845">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  I am on my feet! It has been a very exciting time for you this afternoon, but all I can say is that he has told me it is on its way and I am taking him at his word. I said I would take you at your word. He is finishing shortly, aren't you minister?</text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000846">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000847">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Order, member for Hammond!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3123" kind="speech" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. PICCOLO</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000848">
          <by role="member" id="3123">The Hon. A. PICCOLO:</by>  Madam Deputy Speaker, this is actually in the <term>Hansard</term>, it is actually on the record, so I cannot see what the fuss is. Secondly, it will be on its way.</text>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000849">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000850">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3120">
        <name>Mr PEDERICK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000851">
          <by role="member" id="3120">Mr PEDERICK:</by>  Point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The convention of the house—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000852">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  You are right.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3120">
        <name>Mr PEDERICK</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000853">
          <by role="member" id="3120">Mr PEDERICK:</by>  —is that if someone wants to make a ministerial statement they need to provide copies to the house.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Deputy Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140805af52a13d3ec44448b0000854">
          <by role="office">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</by>  You are right; we have already gone through that. The minister has finished his remarks. The Minister for Manufacturing and Innovation has something to say.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
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