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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Gillman Land Sale</name>
      <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000342">
        <heading>Gillman Land Sale</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="4338" kind="question">
        <name>Mr MARSHALL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Dunstan</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2014-05-07">
            <name>Gillman Land Sale</name>
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        <startTime time="2014-05-07T14:24:52" />
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          <timeStamp time="2014-05-07T14:24:52" />
          <by role="member" id="4338">Mr MARSHALL (Dunstan—Leader of the Opposition) (14:24):</by>  Can the Premier confirm which board gave this advice to cabinet: whether it was the Renewal SA board before or after the four out of seven resignations?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Cheltenham</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Premier</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2014-05-07">
            <name>Gillman Land Sale</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2014-05-07T14:25:10" />
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000344">
          <timeStamp time="2014-05-07T14:25:10" />
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL (Cheltenham—Premier) (14:25):</by>  The Renewal SA board provided this information.</text>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000345">
          <event kind="interjection">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000346">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  Renewal SA—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Pisoni</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000347">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr Pisoni:</by>  What was the date? Give us the date then.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000348">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  The member for Unley is called to order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="66" />
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000349">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  I might add that these are spookily like the fishing exercise that is being undertaken in litigation proceedings that are actually going on at the moment. I know those opposite come in here advancing the interests—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000350">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order, sir.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000351">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  A point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000352">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  This bears no relationship to the question, which was: which board, before or after the resignations, provided the advice?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000353">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  I am not going to stand here—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000354">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  Premier, I should make a ruling on that. I would draw the Premier back to the substance of the question: which board gave the advice?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000355">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  Mr Speaker, there is one board and it has continuous existence. The constitution of the board at any one point in time is irrelevant and I will not be putting in the public sphere information which is being sought to be gained through litigation which is presently being undertaken in the courts.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000356">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  It's got nothing to do with it.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000357">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  No. Of course, it's got a lot to do with it. You are coming in here advancing questions that certain litigants—are being advanced against the government. They are competitors in these processes—commercial competitors. Rather than acting on the basis of some commercial interest, why not act in the public interest, South Australia's interest, which is to actually preserve the capacity for us to enter an arrangement in South Australia's interest? Don't start coming in here running a line on behalf of some private sector competitor that wants to unravel this arrangement.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000358">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order, sir: 127. That is clearly imputing improper motive on members of the opposition.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000359">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  There's a point of order from the member for Morialta: 127. Refresh my memory.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000360">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  The Premier is clearly imputing improper motive on members of the opposition.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000361">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  And the improper motive is that the opposition is acting in the interests of a litigant?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000362">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Those are the Premier's words, sir.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000363">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  I ask the Premier, if indeed he is imputing improper motives, not to do so.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000364">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  My proposition is this: that those opposite—I don't know what their motivations are, but they are asking questions which are the same questions that are being asked in litigation of the government and I am requesting that they act in the state interest, not in the interests of a private—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000365">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order, sir.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000366">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  The Premier will be seated. I understood the Premier—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000367">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Sir, I have a new point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000368">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  I will hear your point of order first.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000369">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  The Premier has gone on to not withdraw the allegations that he made that the opposition was coming in here and asking questions on behalf of a group of people. He is saying it in a different way, but the original claim still stands and it is clearly in contravention of 127 in the standing orders.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker kind="speech" role="office">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000370">
          <by role="office">The SPEAKER:</by>  No, I don't think it is. I think the Premier has now reformulated in a way that makes it comply with the standing orders. The Premier said that the questions the opposition are asking are questions that a party to litigation are asking, and that is an acceptable formulation; it is not to impute that the opposition are acting in the interests of a party to litigation. The Premier.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="67" />
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000371">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  The gravamen of the matter is this: we have advice that has been provided by an independent statutory body, not by the personal opinions of any board members, however constituted at any one point in time, but information which demonstrates that this is a premium price for the piece of land in question. That is not a matter of opinion by board members at any one point in time, it is a matter of empirical fact that is gathered from valuations, etc., that have formed the basis for their opinion.</text>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000372">That is not something that is going to alter, whatever the composition of the board is at any one point in time. That is information that has a factual basis to it and is going to be able to be rebutted or confirmed on the basis of the analysis of that material, so let's be absolutely clear about that. The advice to us was crystal clear that this was a premium price for that land.</text>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000373">The point about this is that we needed to preserve the capacity for this piece of land to be developed in this fashion. Remember that the only other propositions that have been advanced about this matter had actually involved much inferior offers on the price for this land, or the state government itself investing significant sums of money to actually lift the value of this land. It is pretty basic, sir: if you were to spend tens and tens of millions of dollars on a piece of land to upgrade it by filling it up and bringing it to a certain standard, of course it is going to be worth more. That is the basic proposition that has been advanced against us.</text>
        <text id="20140507c74fb66ec6e949bca0000374">This company was not only prepared to spend its own money increasing the value of the land, it was prepared to give us a premium price for the land, so of course we wanted to preserve the capacity for the South Australian government to get that arrangement in the state's interest, and that is all that we have done. They have been given a period of exclusivity so that they can prove this thing up, and I hope that they get to do that. I hope those opposite do not destroy our opportunity to do so.</text>
      </talker>
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