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  <name>House of Assembly</name>
  <date date="2012-11-15" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Second Parliament, Second Session (52-2)</sessionName>
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  <sessionNum>2</sessionNum>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Desalination Plant</name>
      <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000933">
        <heading>DESALINATION PLANT</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="question">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Bragg</electorate>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-11-15">
            <name>DESALINATION PLANT</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2012-11-15T15:02:00" />
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000934">
          <timeStamp time="2012-11-15T15:02:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN (Bragg) (15:02):</by>  My question is to the Premier. Will the Premier instruct the Minister for Water to table the Adelaide desalination plant operation and management contract? Two years ago, the opposition applied for access to the operation and maintenance contract to better understand what the government had locked us into but was denied access. After reviewing the decision, the Ombudsman said publishing the document would be in the public interest but that it could not be published because the government had inserted a confidentiality clause in it. However, the Ombudsman also said that that did not prevent the minister from tabling the document in parliament.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000935">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Colton</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Sustainability</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Water and the River Murray</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <startTime time="2012-11-15T15:03:00" />
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000936">
          <timeStamp time="2012-11-15T15:03:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA (Colton—Minister for Sustainability, Environment and Conservation, Minister for Water and the River Murray, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation) (15:03):</by>  Well, a bit like your leadership over there—put that out for consultation as well.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000937">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="74">Mr Marshall interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000938">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000939">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Who did you vote for, Steven?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000940">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Minister, you don't refer to members by their names.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000941">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I'm sorry, Madam Speaker, but I am responding to interjections.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="563">
        <name>The Hon. I.F. EVANS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000942">
          <by role="member" id="563">The Hon. I.F. EVANS:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker: the minister is upset Peter Malinauskas got to visit Mr Rann and he didn't!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3830" />
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000943">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! You will sit down. We will not have frivolous points of order.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000944">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000945">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000946">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I apologise for my unruly behaviour, but really they are an undisciplined rabble, Madam Speaker, with respect to the level of interjections that are always coming.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000947">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000948">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000949">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  And sometimes I just have no choice but to respond.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000950">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! You will get back to the question now, minister.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000951">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000952">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I am standing up. I am very pleased, Madam Speaker, that he is another one—every player wins a prize and he has got one.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000953">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000954">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  He is now the parliamentary secretary assisting—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000955">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! Minister, you will sit down.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000956">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000957">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> If your point of order is answering the question—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000958">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  In the remaining minute, can I have an answer?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000959">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Yes, minister, you will answer the question now.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000960">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Of course, Madam Speaker, I do feel sorry for those who have not won a prize, particularly the one who is sitting at the back who is by far their best performer.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000961">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Minister, back to the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000962">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  In relation to this particular question—</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000963">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="44">Mr Pengilly interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000964">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  There is another one that didn't win a prize. The most vocal over there are the ones who did not win a prize.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000965">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="44">Mr Pengilly interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000966">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! Member for Finniss, do you want to go for a walk?</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000967">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">An honourable member interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000968">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I am not wound up at all, but I will say this: confidentiality clauses are a matter between two parties, not just inserted by a government. They would be—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="526" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. P.F. Conlon</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000969">
          <by role="member" id="526">The Hon. P.F. Conlon:</by>  It's the nature of the contract.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000970">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  That's right. It is the nature of the contract that relates to—</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000971">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="7">Ms Chapman interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000972">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Listen to the minister's answer; you have been asking for it.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000973">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  She is getting wound up.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000974">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000975">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000976">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  She is getting emotional and wound up.</text>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000977">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">An honourable member interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000978">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> He is answering the question now. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3831" />
        <text id="201211156f44329092d34b45a0000979">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I am attempting to answer the question. The nature of a confidentiality clause is exactly that: that information will remain confidential. That has been cited for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is ensuring that those arrangements do not compromise the way in which business is being done but, just as importantly, do not compromise the way by which business will be done in the future in South Australia with respect to contracts between business and government.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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