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  <date date="2012-11-15" />
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Handshin, Ms M.</name>
      <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000867">
        <heading>HANDSHIN, MS M.</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="question">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Bragg</electorate>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-11-15">
            <name>HANDSHIN, MS M.</name>
          </question>
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        <startTime time="2012-11-15T14:55:00" />
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000868">
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          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN (Bragg) (14:55):</by>  Thank you, Madam Speaker—my lucky day. My question is to the Minister for Sustainability, Environment and Conservation. Does the minister accept that section 14B of the Environment Protection Act creates legal obligations regarding persons who can be appointed to the board of the EPA and that in particular an appointee under subsection (5)(f) must have both qualifications and experience in both management generally and public sector management? Has the minister received any advice to the effect that the appointment of Ms Mia Handshin does not satisfy those requirements?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="563" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. I.F. Evans</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3827" />
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000869">
          <by role="member" id="563">The Hon. I.F. Evans:</by>  The advice he received from Peter Malinauskas was, 'Appoint her or else.'</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Colton</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Sustainability</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Water and the River Murray</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation</name>
          </portfolio>
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        <startTime time="2012-11-15T14:56:00" />
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000870">
          <timeStamp time="2012-11-15T14:56:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA (Colton—Minister for Sustainability, Environment and Conservation, Minister for Water and the River Murray, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation) (14:56):</by>  No, I don't think that's correct. I thank the honourable member for her question. Quite simply, as I have said to this house and outside this house, Mia Handshin was appointed in accordance with the act. She is—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000871">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000872">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000873">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Well, she is an outstanding appointment. The only part of her CV, as was succinctly said yesterday, that you don't like is the fact that she is a former Labor Party candidate. What she—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000874">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000875">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000876">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  What she—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000877">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000878">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Well, she's more qualified than you to do the job you're doing, but the other thing is this: she has an inordinate amount of qualifications—a vast amount of qualifications. She is highly qualified to do this job. She will be a great asset—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000879">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000880">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000881">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  —to the reform process that this government has undertaken with respect to the EPA. I am very proud of the fact that she has been appointed to this job, and I wish—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000882">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000883">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000884">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Sorry, I think I heard the voice from the man who doesn't like women; that's another reason some of them over there mightn't like her appointment.</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000885">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000886">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4343">
        <name>Mr GARDNER</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000887">
          <by role="member" id="4343">Mr GARDNER:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker: 127, clear personal reflection.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000888">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Minister—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000889">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000890">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Minister, get back to the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000891">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Yes. So, Madam Speaker, I am very confident—in fact, I know—that everything that has been done—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4338">
        <name>Mr MARSHALL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000892">
          <by role="member" id="4338">Mr MARSHALL:</by>  Point of order: 98, relevance. The question specifically asked whether the minister has received any advice on this matter—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000893">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000894">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Thank you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4338">
        <name>Mr MARSHALL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000895">
          <by role="member" id="4338">Mr MARSHALL:</by>  —and I am happy to read it again—received any advice to the effect that the appointment of Mia Handshin does not satisfy those requirements. That is the substance of the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3828" />
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000896">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Alright, thank you. The answer to the question is relevant to the question. I cannot direct the minister to answer the question in the way you wish it to be answered in every question. As long as the answer is relevant to the question, the minister can answer as they choose. Minister, would you like to wind up your answer?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000897">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I will do my best, Madam Speaker. I was wondering what the member for Norwood's job was in this place; now I have just found out: to not follow the discipline of the Leader of Government Business. But, Madam Speaker, she was appointed in accordance with the act under the criteria that's available. She's highly qualified—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mrs Redmond</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000898">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs Redmond:</by>  No, she isn't!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000899">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  She is highly qualified to do this job, and I am very pleased—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000900">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000901">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000902">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  The advice that I have received seems to be advice from people opposite that we haven't done it in accordance with the act—and we have.</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000903">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000904">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000905">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000906">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! If you want to have an argument, please go outside the chamber or you will be sent out.</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000907">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="74">Mr Marshall interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000908">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Member for Norwood, order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000909">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  What an idiot, Madam Speaker!</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000910">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000911">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! I did not head that. Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000912">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Madam Speaker, I apologise and withdraw the fact that I called—</text>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000913">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000914">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000915">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  —the member for Norwood an idiot. I withdraw and apologise for referring to the member for Norwood as an idiot.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="2012111567aa78667281450090000916">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you. Member for Torrens.</text>
      </talker>
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