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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Handshin, Ms M.</name>
      <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000643">
        <heading>HANDSHIN, MS M.</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="question">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Bragg</electorate>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-11-14">
            <name>HANDSHIN, MS M.</name>
          </question>
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        <startTime time="2012-11-14T14:45:00" />
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000644">
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          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN (Bragg) (14:45):</by>  My question is for the Minister for Sustainability, Environment and Conservation. Can the minister confirm to the house the statement that he made to me after question time yesterday that Mia Handshin's appointment to the board of the Environment Protection Authority was pursuant to paragraph (f) of section 14B(5) of the Environment Protection Act? If so, can he detail to the house the qualifications and experience Ms Handshin has that are relevant not just to the management generally but specifically, as required by the act, her qualifications and experience in public sector management?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Colton</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Sustainability</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Water and the River Murray</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation</name>
          </portfolio>
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        <questions>
          <question date="2012-11-14">
            <name>HANDSHIN, MS M.</name>
          </question>
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        <startTime time="2012-11-14T14:45:00" />
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000645">
          <timeStamp time="2012-11-14T14:45:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA (Colton—Minister for Sustainability, Environment and Conservation, Minister for Water and the River Murray, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation) (14:45):</by>  Certainly, the conversation that I had yesterday with the member for Bragg is slightly different than how she recalls it. I actually said in that conversation 'you know what section of the act she's appointed'.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000646">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  You said (f).</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3748" />
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000647">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  No, I did not. I said 'you know which section it is', but anyway what I will say is this: there are—</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000648">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="12">The Hon. I.F. Evans interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000649">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000650">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  There are a multitude of skills that Mia Handshin brings to this particular job.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000651">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000652">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  It does. I think we are very lucky that we have a person that has a multitude of skills that she is taking into this new role. In fact, I do notice the interjection from the Leader of the Opposition yesterday about legal qualifications. She would know that Mia Handshin herself has those legal qualifications.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000653">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000654">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Madam Speaker, I am only repeating the interjection because she was—</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000655">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000656">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! I have no idea what's going on here, order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000657">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I don't think they do, either, Madam Speaker.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000658">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000659">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000660">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I can indeed report that it's a different section of the act than Jennifer Cashmore was appointed under by the government of the day.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000661">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000662">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order!</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000663">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="7">Ms Chapman interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000664">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I beg your pardon?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000665">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  It's a new section since Jennifer left the parliament.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000666">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> One question at a time.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000667">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  She was the green voice of the Liberal Party, as I recall.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mrs Redmond</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000668">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs Redmond:</by>  Which section was she appointed under?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000669">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  She was appointed in accordance with section 14(5)(f) of the Environment Protection Act.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000670">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000671">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000672">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  You knew that because I'm sure that you read the press release that was issued on that particular day welcoming this appointment. If you—</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000673">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000674">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000675">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Thank you, Madam Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000676">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> I'm not sure whether you're enjoying the interjections or not, minister.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000677">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="9">The Hon. P.F. Conlon interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000678">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  No, but anyway, the EPA Board currently includes appointees with qualifications and experience in industry, in commerce, in economic development, in finance and management, as well as environmental law and the management of environmental agents.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000679">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker. I don't need to know the qualifications of the whole world: I just want to know the public management experience—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3749" />
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000680">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! Thank you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000681">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  —of Ms Handshin.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000682">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> There is no point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000683">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN:</by>  That's all—just her.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000684">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> You don't need to repeat your question. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000685">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  As previously stated,  this very, very good selection of Mia Handshin to this role was made under the subsection of the act in relation to her experience and relevance to management generally, but public sector—</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000686">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000687">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  And management generally.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000688">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  What about the public sector?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000689">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:</by>  Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000690">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Madam Speaker, there's a contest between the leader and one of the other aspirants. I do feel sorry for the member. John, you're supposed to be running government business.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4338" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Marshall</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000691">
          <by role="member" id="4338">Mr Marshall:</by>  Can we get back to the substance of the question?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000692">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Thank you. Minister, I refer you back to the question.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000693">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000694">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000695">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Just to finish off, Madam Speaker—</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000696">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000697">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The minister is answering the question, order! Minister, there's another point of order, sit down. Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3115">
        <name>The Hon. C.C. FOX</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000698">
          <by role="member" id="3115">The Hon. C.C. FOX:</by>  Point of order: 131—the constant interruptions, the constant interjections. I cannot hear a word that the minister is saying.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000699">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you, minister. Yes, there will be some quiet. Minister, would you wind up your answer. You do not have very long.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000700">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I will attempt it. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Mia Handshin has qualifications and experience as a project manager and facilitator for the Leaders Institute of South Australia, in a senior policy role with the federal—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3121">
        <name>Mr PENGILLY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000701">
          <by role="member" id="3121">Mr PENGILLY:</by>  Point of order: the minister's time has expired.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000702">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> No, it hasn't. He still has 43 seconds left.</text>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000703">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000704">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Minister, have you finished your answer? You do actually, on my clock, have 43 seconds.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20121114c36695ab03464b3bb0000705">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Madam Speaker, how can I cope with all these interjections? I will finish off and I will say this again: as a project manager and facilitator for the Leaders Institute of South Australia, in a senior policy role with a federal minister, as a lawyer in media—not that I hold that in very high regard—but in interactions between business and government and, having been on boards in Adelaide, she has strong experience in community engagement and leadership development. She will be an outstanding contributor to the EPA, and I think that, certainly on this side—and the majority of South Australians—we applaud that appointment, unlike the opposition.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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