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  <sessionName>Fifty-Second Parliament, Second Session (52-2)</sessionName>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>National Literacy and Numeracy Tests</name>
      <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000422">
        <heading>NATIONAL LITERACY AND NUMERACY TESTS</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="3124" kind="question">
        <name>Mr PISONI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Unley</electorate>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-09-19">
            <name>NATIONAL LITERACY AND NUMERACY TESTS</name>
          </question>
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        <startTime time="2012-09-19T14:24:00" />
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000423">
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          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr PISONI (Unley) (14:24):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Education and Child Development.</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000424">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000425">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124">
        <name>Mr PISONI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000426">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr PISONI:</by>  Why have South Australian NAPLAN results gone backwards in half of all NAPLAN categories since the first NAPLAN test in 2008?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Hartley</electorate>
        <portfolios>
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            <name>Minister for Education and Child Development</name>
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        <startTime time="2012-09-19T14:25:00" />
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000427">
          <timeStamp time="2012-09-19T14:25:00" />
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI (Hartley—Minister for Education and Child Development) (14:25):</by>  Well, I simply don't accept the premise of the question, because—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Pisoni</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000428">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr Pisoni:</by>  Is it wrong? Are you saying it's wrong?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000429">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  I simply don't accept the premise of the question. What—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. J.J. Snelling</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000430">
          <by role="member" id="627">The Hon. J.J. Snelling:</by>  Well, you do have a history of getting it wrong.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000431">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order, the Treasurer!</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000432">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000433">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000434">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  And I reiterate that our results for this year in fact demonstrated that in 12 out of the 20 categories we stayed the same—our results are stable—or we improved. But I would like to add this, and it is a quote from Mr Gonski's report, which I think puts NAPLAN in an appropriate—</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000435">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
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      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000436">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000437">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  Thank you Madam Speaker. This is what Mr Gonski says:</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000438">
          <inserted>While the quality of a schooling system—</inserted>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124">
        <name>Mr PISONI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000439">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr PISONI:</by>  Point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000440">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124">
        <name>Mr PISONI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000441">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr PISONI:</by>  My question was clearly asking why we fell behind in 10 out of 20 categories—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000442">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you. We know what your question was.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124">
        <name>Mr PISONI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000443">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr PISONI:</by>  —since the first NAPLAN results in 2008.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000444">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124">
        <name>Mr PISONI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000445">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr PISONI:</by>  It has nothing to do with David Gonski.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000446">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Sit down. The minister can answer the question as she chooses and if she considers that that is relevant to the question then we will listen and see what she has to say.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000447">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  This is what Mr Gonski says:</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000448">
          <inserted>While the quality of a schooling system is often measured by outcomes and standardised assessments, things like PISA, TIMSS (Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study) and NAPLAN, or by senior secondary school completion rates, the panel recognises that education is about much more than this. In Australia, schools aim to promote the intellectual, physical, social, emotional, moral, spiritual, aesthetic and wellbeing—</inserted>
        </text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000449">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="3018" />
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000450">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000451">
          <inserted>
            <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  —of young people as well as ensure the nation's ongoing economic prosperity and social cohesion. Many parents consider that, while providing outstanding education must be the key focus of schools, the ability of a school to foster these broader outcomes is also important.</inserted>
        </text>
        <text continued="true" id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000452">We are absolutely committed to ensuring that every—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000453">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000454">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000455">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Standing order 98: whilst this is all very interesting on what Professor Gonski has said, it has nothing to do with the question, which was asking for an explanation why our NAPLAN results have been going consistently backwards ever since NAPLAN was introduced.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000456">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> No, I don't uphold that point of order. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000457">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  It goes directly to the heart of what we are doing in schools. We aspire for every student in every school in our community, and let us remember that NAPLAN is a measure for—</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000458">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000459">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000460">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  —the entire three sectors.</text>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000461">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="7">Ms Chapman interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000462">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000463">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  We aspire for every student in our community to be the very best that they can be. That is why I have asked my agency months ago—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000464">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000465">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! If your point of order is relevance again.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000466">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Well, Madam Speaker, we are asking about outcomes that are actually happening. We are not asking about the minister's aspirations. The minister is full of aspirations—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000467">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000468">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  —but she is very short on achieving outcomes.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000469">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> We don't need a speech from you, member for MacKillop. Minister, I would ask you to wind your answer up.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3127">
        <name>The Hon. G. PORTOLESI</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120919e01824b06b08411a80000470">
          <by role="member" id="3127">The Hon. G. PORTOLESI:</by>  Thank you, Madam Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
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