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  <name>House of Assembly</name>
  <date date="2012-04-05" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-Second Parliament, Second Session (52-2)</sessionName>
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  <sessionNum>2</sessionNum>
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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Desalination Plant</name>
      <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000535">
        <heading>DESALINATION PLANT</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="546" kind="question">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">MacKillop</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Deputy Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-04-05">
            <name>DESALINATION PLANT</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2012-04-05T15:15:00" />
        <page num="1201" />
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000536">
          <timeStamp time="2012-04-05T15:15:00" />
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS (MacKillop—Deputy Leader of the Opposition) (15:15):</by>  My question is to the Minister for Water and the River Murray. Can the minister assure the house that SA Water has no obligation to pay for water from Adelaide's desalination plant at any time when traditional, cheaper sources of bulk water, such as the River Murray or the Hills reservoir water, are available? The New South Wales Premier was recently quoted in the media as saying that the former New South Wales Labor government entered into a 'stupid contract', obliging their water authority to buy expensive water from their desalination plant, even when their dams were full and it was still raining.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="526">
        <name>The Hon. P.F. CONLON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000537">
          <by role="member" id="526">The Hon. P.F. CONLON:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker: the explanation is not relevant to the question. Yesterday, in fact—</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000538">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000539">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="526">
        <name>The Hon. P.F. CONLON</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000540">
          <by role="member" id="526">The Hon. P.F. CONLON:</by>  I just point out, Madam Speaker, than on the basis of the explanation, the minister would be free to talk at length about the New South Wales desalination plant.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000541">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you, Minister for Transport.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000542">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000543">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000544">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000545">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Member for Unley and Minister for Transport, behave. The explanation did not seem necessary; however, the question was in order. Minister.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000546">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000547">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Colton</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Sustainability</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Water and the River Murray</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation</name>
          </portfolio>
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        <startTime time="2012-04-05T15:16:00" />
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000548">
          <timeStamp time="2012-04-05T15:16:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA (Colton—Minister for Sustainability, Environment and Conservation, Minister for Water and the River Murray, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation) (15:16):</by>  Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Of course, what occurs in New South Wales is, as was pointed out, completely irrelevant to what is occurring here in South Australia. We—</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000549">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000550">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000551">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  You know, I do find—my understanding was, Madam Speaker, that the opposition proposed a 50 gigalitre desalination plant, so presumably in their—</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000552">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="78">Mr Whetstone interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000553">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Member for Chaffey, leave the chamber for 10 minutes.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000554">
          <term>The honourable member for Chaffey having withdrawn from the chamber:</term>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000555">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  So presumably, Madam Speaker, the same logic applies to what it is that they are proposing. In fact, the line of questioning is—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813">
        <name>Mrs REDMOND</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000556">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs REDMOND:</by>  Point of order, Madam Speaker. The minister is talking about something totally irrelevant to the question that was asked about the cost of—</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000557">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000558">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813">
        <name>Mrs REDMOND</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000559">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs REDMOND:</by>  —the cost of water.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000560">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000561">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Thank you. Minister, return to the substance of the question, but ignore the explanation.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000562">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Well I will, Madam Speaker, but the nature of the question allowed me, I think—and I am not being disrespectful—</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000563">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="1202" />
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000564">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3124" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Pisoni</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000565">
          <by role="member" id="3124">Mr Pisoni:</by>  Move a motion if you don't agree with her.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000566">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I do agree with her. I do agree; I just don't agree with you.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000567">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000568">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000569">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  So, Madam Speaker, I see their question as not only somewhat interesting in regard to what was their position on a 50 gigalitre desalination plant; but of course, is a poor reflection, and I think an attack, on the former leader who was proposing that desalination plant.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000570">Getting to the substance of the question: we have entered into very, very good arrangements with respect to the maintenance contract and operational contract in relation to the desalination plant, to the extent that there will be—and I have detailed this to the house—ongoing costs that will be incurred whether the desalination plant is operating or not, and they are aware of that, because I have detailed that to the house previously. But, Madam Speaker, if we are not—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813">
        <name>Mrs REDMOND</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000571">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs REDMOND:</by>  Madam Speaker, point of order: the relevance of the minister's answer. The question was about whether we have to buy from the desalination plant water when there is other water available because the dams are full and there are other cheaper sources.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000572">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Minister, can you return to the substance of the question?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000573">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Yes, of course, Madam Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000574">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> It was a political question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000575">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I beg your pardon, sorry?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000576">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> It was a political question—the explanation was, so—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000577">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  Sorry, Madam Speaker, they are heckling while you are talking.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000578">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> —but minister, can you return to the substance of the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000579">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I couldn't—</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000580">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000581">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1802">
        <name>The Hon. P. CAICA</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000582">
          <by role="member" id="1802">The Hon. P. CAICA:</by>  I couldn't hear what you were saying, Madam Speaker, that's all; that's my point. No, we will not have to pay for water that is not produced.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000583">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000584">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000585">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Would the minister want me to re-ask the question? Because he obviously didn't hear the question I asked.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000586">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000587">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The minister can answer the question as he chooses. If you have a further question, you can ask it after.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000588">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  No, he chose not to, Madam Speaker.</text>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000589">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120405f696184057c8470aa0000590">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Sit down. The member for Light.</text>
      </talker>
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