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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>GM Holden</name>
      <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000472">
        <heading>GM HOLDEN</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="1813" kind="question">
        <name>Mrs REDMOND</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Heysen</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
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        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-03-27">
            <name>GM HOLDEN</name>
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        <startTime time="2012-03-27T14:30:00" />
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000473">
          <timeStamp time="2012-03-27T14:30:00" />
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs REDMOND (Heysen—Leader of the Opposition) (14:30):</by>  My question is again to the Premier. Will the Premier tell the house how many jobs have to be lost at Holden before triggering an obligation to commence repayment of funds back to government? At a briefing last night, Holden would not tell the opposition about the clawback provisions in this funding arrangement but stated that they have told the Premier about these provisions.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Cheltenham</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Premier</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for State Development</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2012-03-27">
            <name>GM HOLDEN</name>
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          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL (Cheltenham—Premier, Minister for State Development) (14:30):</by>  The clawback provisions relate to the agreements that we have secured and I mentioned those earlier.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000475">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000476">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  Avoiding the closure of Holden's, the investment of $1 billion. This is, remember here, $50 million of South Australia's investment—</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000477">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000478">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="839" />
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000479">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  —$1 billion of Holden's investment here in South Australia, in relation to two new generation vehicles. Now, absent that, we wouldn't have the commitment to maintaining operations to 2022 at Elizabeth here in South Australia and, fourthly, participate in the working party with South Australian government representatives to do two very important things.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000480">This commitment is at the heart of our agreement to this proposal. We are assisted in this regard by Göran Roos, who designed a number of the asks that we had from General Motors which were the subject of intensive negotiations, and that is the first, to integrate our Holden's automotive manufacturing operations into GM's global supply. This is absolutely crucial. We can't have a unique industry here in Australia and somehow expect to withstand the pressures, especially in the context of a high Australian dollar. The second element of that—</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000481">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000482">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000483">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  The second element of that is working on that same working party to ensure that our component suppliers are part of the global supply chain. This is an even bigger—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000484">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813">
        <name>Mrs REDMOND</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000485">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs REDMOND:</by>  The relevance of the answer. The question was about the point at which—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000486">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Thank you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1813">
        <name>Mrs REDMOND</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000487">
          <by role="member" id="1813">Mrs REDMOND:</by>  —the government has the expectation to get any money back.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000488">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> We know what your question was, thank you, Leader of the Opposition. Premier, continue your answer to the question.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000489">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  I have to outline the essential conditions of the agreement because it goes to the question of failure, in relation to those matters, that drives the clawback provisions. So, I will continue the answer because it is absolutely germane to the question.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000490">The second element of the working party which was absolutely crucial is the importance of ensuring that the existing component suppliers in South Australia are insinuated into Holden's or General Motors' global supply chain. Now, this is absolutely crucial. This work means that those component manufacturers will have the capacity to actually reach a far greater audience in relation to their manufactured products and, importantly, they will work with those component suppliers to broaden their manufacturing supply base to ensure that they are not reliant solely on Holden's. This is a crucial part of the work that needed to occur after—</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000491">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">An honourable member interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000492">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  I was born here. It's Holden's if you were born here.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000493">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000494">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000495">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  It's just the way we pronounce it in this state. It's Holden's.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000496">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000497">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order, members on my left!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000498">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  It was always Holden's to me, the way I was brought up. Can I say that this second element, insinuating the component suppliers into our global supply chain, is absolutely crucial. It is linked crucially to the $35 million fund that has been established by the commonwealth in relation to which South Australia will co-administer. So, we have a $35 million fund, which is about—</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000499">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1812">
        <name>The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000500">
          <by role="member" id="1812">The Hon. J.W. WEATHERILL:</by>  —well, you will find out if you allow me to complete my answer—all of those matters, the failure of which will trigger our capacity to either not pay the money, remembering that our contribution doesn't commence until 2016-17, or claw it back if there is a failure in those substantial matters.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000501">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000502">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000503">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000504">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The member for Mitchell.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000505">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="65">Mr Williams interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000506">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! The member for MacKillop will leave the chamber for the rest of question time.</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000507">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="65">Mr Williams interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000508">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order! The member for MacKillop will leave the chamber.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000509">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  On what authority, Madam Speaker?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000510">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Standing orders. You have not been named; you have been asked to leave until the end of question time.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000511">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Madam Speaker, can I draw your attention to section 55 of the Constitution Act?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000512">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> I am sure you know that off by heart.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000513">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  I do, Madam Speaker. Section 55 of the Constitution Act says that for either of the houses to change a standing order, they have a vote and then they lay it before the Governor and for the standing order to become enforceable—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="614" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. J.M. Rankine</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000514">
          <by role="member" id="614">The Hon. J.M. Rankine:</by>  It's a sessional order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000515">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Or a sessional order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000516">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> This is a sessional order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000517">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Or a sessional order. For it to become enforceable, it needs to be approved by the Governor. Madam Speaker, I have done a search of the minutes of the house and I have been unable to find any message from the Governor to say that the Governor has signed off on the motion that was moved by this house some weeks ago.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000518">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you, member for MacKillop. I will consult with the clerks after but in the meantime you will leave the chamber until the end of question time.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000519">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Madam Speaker, again, I ask on what authority you are asking me to leave the chamber.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000520">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> On sessional orders that were adopted two to three weeks ago.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000521">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Madam Speaker, again, I call your attention to section 55 of the Constitution Act. I do not believe the sessional orders have been lawfully adopted.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000522">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> That is your opinion. I will consult with the clerks after, but in the meantime you will leave the chamber until the end of question time.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000523">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  Madam Speaker—</text>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000524">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000525">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000526">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  —I do not mind obeying the rules as adopted by this house. I do not believe that this has been lawfully adopted by the house. It is not my fault that the government doesn't know what it is doing. I am lawfully here to represent the people of MacKillop and—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000527">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Member for MacKillop—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000528">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  —I think the people of MacKillop expect me to be here when I am lawfully entitled to be.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000529">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Member for MacKillop, they would also expect you to behave when you are here. I have asked you to leave the chamber. If you refuse to leave the chamber, I will have to name you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20120327783e1541958a40bb80000530">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS:</by>  So be it, Madam Speaker.</text>
      </talker>
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