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    <name>Question Time</name>
    <subject>
      <name>Small Business Commissioner</name>
      <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000468">
        <heading>SMALL BUSINESS COMMISSIONER</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="3117" kind="question">
        <name>Mr BIGNELL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Mawson</electorate>
        <questions>
          <question date="2011-02-23">
            <name>SMALL BUSINESS COMMISSIONER</name>
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        </questions>
        <startTime time="2011-02-23T14:45:00" />
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000469">
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          <by role="member" id="3117">Mr BIGNELL (Mawson) (14:45): </by> Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is—</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000470">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000471">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Member for Mawson, be quiet for just a moment. We will have order on my left, please. Member for Mawson.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="3117">
        <name>Mr BIGNELL</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000472">
          <by role="member" id="3117">Mr BIGNELL: </by> My question is to the Minister for Small Business. Can the minister update the house on the government's small business commissioner reforms.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">West Torrens</electorate>
        <portfolios>
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            <name>Minister for Mineral Resources Development</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industry and Trade</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Small Business</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Correctional Services</name>
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        </portfolios>
        <startTime time="2011-02-23T14:46:00" />
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000473">
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          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS (West Torrens—Minister for Mineral Resources Development, Minister for Industry and Trade, Minister for Small Business, Minister for Correctional Services) (14:46): </by> I am very pleased to be here and I thank the honourable member for his question. On 1 October last year I announced plans to draft legislation to establish a small business commissioner, and I am pleased to inform the house that the bill has now been drafted and I have subsequently released it for public consultation. I look forward to submissions from the opposition.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000474">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000475">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> I look forward to your support, Leader of the Opposition. The release of the draft bill and its explanatory paper is aimed at encouraging community, industry and business to provide feedback to facilitate a constructive and interactive discussion of the bill's proposals. The Department of Trade and Economic Development has held, and is continuing to hold, numerous information sessions—</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619" kind="interjection">
        <name>An honourable member</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000476">
          <by role="member" id="619">An honourable member:</by>  Is there anybody left in that department?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000477">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Minister, continue with your answer. Do not respond to their interjections.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000478">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> —across the metropolitan area and in many country areas. I am advised that, to date, the consultation is going exceptionally well, and was held recently in Norwood. Did you attend?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4338" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Marshall</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000479">
          <by role="member" id="4338">Mr Marshall:</by>  What's that?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000480">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> The consultation in Norwood.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000481">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="74">Mr Marshall interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000482">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> There you go!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000483">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The minister will continue with his answer.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000484">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> The consultation is going exceptionally well, with very good attendance from a wide variety of small businesses. I would have thought the party that purports to represent small business may have shown some interest in the consultation on a small business commissioner, but I suppose they are too vain to turn up.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000485">There were representatives from many local chambers of commerce and industry associations. There has been a wide range of support from industries and chambers, yet I am still waiting for the party of small business to tell me their views on the small business commissioner. As I have previously stated, the proposed South Australian small business commissioner is modelled closely—</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000486">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="12">The Hon. I.F. Evans interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000487">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order, member for Davenport!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="2607" />
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000488">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> —yet not identically, on the well-established and very successful Victorian small business commissioner.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="4338" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Marshall</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000489">
          <by role="member" id="4338">Mr Marshall: </by> We had one.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000490">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  Sorry?</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000491">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="74">Mr Marshall interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000492">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The member for Norwood will behave.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000493">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> All feathers. He's an all feathers man.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000494">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Minister, will you stop responding to them?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000495">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> Peacock's a very hard one to notice.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000496">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000497">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="614" kind="interjection">
        <name>The Hon. J.M. Rankine</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000498">
          <by role="member" id="614">The Hon. J.M. Rankine: </by> Are they a protected species?</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000499">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> Peacocks? All feathers, no meat. It is proposed that, as an independent officer, the small business commissioner would be responsible for performing the functions set out in the legislation and to do so in a manner that promotes business relationships that are conducted fairly and in good faith. The question about good faith dealings is something that the opposition are finding very hard to deal with.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000500">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! There is a point of order. Member for MacKillop.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546">
        <name>Mr WILLIAMS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000501">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr WILLIAMS: </by> I know it is disorderly for ministers to read answers to questions but, at least when the minister reads his answer, he doesn't debate.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000502">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> I am not really sure what your point of order is. I do not uphold that point of order. Minister.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000503">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> I don't know how you draw your salary and are not embarrassed.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000504">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Minister, you will finish your answer.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000505">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000506">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! There is a point of order.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804">
        <name>Ms CHAPMAN</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000507">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms CHAPMAN: </by> The minister has just directly reflected on you in saying he doesn't know how you draw your salary and have good character.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000508">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! I think it is terminology. Minister, get back to your answer—and stop this nonsense from both sides.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000509">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> Madam Speaker, that was in no way a reflection on you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000510">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER: </by> Thank you.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000511">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS:</by>  She got 24 votes. She earned her position. Included in the role will also be the powers to investigate and resolve disputes and complaints between small businesses, larger businesses and government departments. The commission will also be responsible for maintaining a range of information resources—including a website—with information to assist small businesses in understanding retail leases and franchise agreements—and I am looking forward to seeing what opposition members have to say about franchising agreements. I am looking forward very soon to your views on franchising. Madam Speaker, this is very important reform, and I look forward to seeing what members opposite have to say about this, because of this—</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000512">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000513">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="2608" />
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000514">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> —it is important that we garner the views of the business community. Initially, the shadow minister for small business has been very supportive, although I understand that, as yet, he has not made a decision—but in private he has been very supportive. I am looking forward to seeing how supportive the rest of the Liberal Party is with respect to small businesses.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000515">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="5">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000516">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> You have seen the bill. I encourage all members on both sides and on the crossbenches to look at this bill.</text>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000517">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="74">Mr Marshall interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="619">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000518">
          <by role="member" id="619">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! Member for Norwood, be quiet! I warn the member for Norwood.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="633">
        <name>The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20110223fc3e4258d94b43cba0000519">
          <by role="member" id="633">The Hon. A. KOUTSANTONIS: </by> I encourage all members on both sides and on the crossbenches to tell their small business constituents—even those they want to open on Sundays—to come and look at this bill, see what they think and whether they think they can add value to a small business commissioner. The deadline for submissions closes on 15 March, and I look forward to having many conversations and briefings with any member who would like to have a briefing on this important reform.</text>
      </talker>
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