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  <name>House of Assembly</name>
  <date date="2008-10-16" />
  <sessionName>Fifty-First Parliament, Third Session (51-3)</sessionName>
  <parliamentNum>51</parliamentNum>
  <sessionNum>3</sessionNum>
  <parliamentName>Parliament of South Australia</parliamentName>
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  <proceeding>
    <name>Question Time</name>
    <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000309">
      <heading>Question Time</heading>
    </text>
    <subject>
      <name>Shared Services</name>
      <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000310">
        <heading>SHARED SERVICES</heading>
      </text>
      <talker role="member" id="631" kind="question">
        <name>Mr HAMILTON-SMITH</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Waite</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Leader of the Opposition</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2008-10-16">
            <name>SHARED SERVICES</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2008-10-16T14:07:00" />
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000311">
          <timeStamp time="2008-10-16T14:07:00" />
          <by role="member" id="631">Mr HAMILTON-SMITH (Waite—Leader of the Opposition) (14:07):</by>  My question is to the Treasurer. Why has his shared services program failed to deliver the savings he promised? The Auditor-General has revealed that there will be a savings shortfall of $17 million this financial year and a shortfall of $103 million over three years.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532" kind="answer">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <electorate id="">Port Adelaide</electorate>
        <portfolios>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Deputy Premier</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Industry and Trade</name>
          </portfolio>
          <portfolio id="">
            <name>Minister for Federal/State Relations</name>
          </portfolio>
        </portfolios>
        <questions>
          <question date="2008-10-16">
            <name>SHARED SERVICES</name>
          </question>
        </questions>
        <startTime time="2008-10-16T14:08:00" />
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000312">
          <timeStamp time="2008-10-16T14:08:00" />
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY (Port Adelaide—Deputy Premier, Treasurer, Minister for Industry and Trade, Minister for Federal/State Relations) (14:08):</by>  This is hardly new news. I think that, at the time of the estimates committee—</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000313">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000314">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  Sorry?</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000315">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="51">Mrs Redmond interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532" kind="answer" continued="true">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000316">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  How about you just listen to the answer and then make a judgment?</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000317">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="56">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000318">
          <by role="member" id="627">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The Treasurer has the call.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000319">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  Thank you, Mr Speaker. We made commentary at the time of the estimates committee that the shared services program will deliver substantial savings to the budget but that it was likely to take a longer period of time to bed those savings down and we would see some slippage in the time it would take to lock those savings down.</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000320">What we have already locked down is about $30 million a year, and there is a further $30 million plus we need to achieve. What we are doing is locking in a long-term permanent stream of savings efficiencies in perpetuity. I have said quite openly that if it takes a year or two longer to get it right, so be it. These are long-term savings.</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000321">So, when the leader makes some silly comment like we have blown $100 million, what does that mean? It means that we are not getting the savings as soon as we had hoped. They are savings, not costs. They are savings. I say again that the Leader of the Opposition fails to understand the basic concepts of public finance. These are savings, so if the savings take a little longer, they are—</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000322">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="56">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000323">
          <by role="member" id="627">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000324">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  We are talking about savings. We cannot win with this lot opposite; we either spend too much or we do not spend enough, or we do not spend money in the right places, like a $1.2 billion football stadium, or give teachers 6 or 7 per cent wage outcomes. As a government, we have had the courage to make cuts—something members opposite failed to do through their period in government.</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000325">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="56">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000326">
          <by role="member" id="627">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000327">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  The member for Davenport seems to have been quite vocal over the past few sitting days—sort of 'Come back Iain' time.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="546" kind="interjection">
        <name>Mr Williams</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000328">
          <by role="member" id="546">Mr Williams:</by>  He has a better memory than you, Kev.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000329">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  He just can't count, though, can he? Good memory, can't count.</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000330">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="56">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000331">
          <by role="member" id="627">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000332">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="61">Mr Venning interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000333">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  Gee, I am the Deputy Premier and Treasurer. How long have you been in parliament, Ivan—and you are still on the back bench—</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000334">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="56">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000335">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  And you will be what, 70 at the next election, Ivan?</text>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000336">
          <event kind="interjection" role="member" id="56">Members interjecting:</event>
        </text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000337">
          <by role="member" id="627">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order! The Treasurer will get on with his answer.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000338">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  Notwithstanding the interjections, sir, I will.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="627">
        <name>The Speaker</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000339">
          <by role="member" id="627">The SPEAKER:  </by>Order!</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000340">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  We have embarked upon a program of savings that will lock in the efficiencies that we need to lock in if we are to continue to find the money necessary to fund our health, education and law and order platforms. Shared services is a process that is undertaken by most major corporations. Most major corporations globally now have shared services.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="1804" kind="interjection">
        <name>Ms Chapman</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000341">
          <by role="member" id="1804">Ms Chapman:</by>  The PSA say it's failed.</text>
      </talker>
      <talker role="member" id="532">
        <name>The Hon. K.O. FOLEY</name>
        <house>House of Assembly</house>
        <page num="538" />
        <text id="20081016dafdbb197d2844cd90000342">
          <by role="member" id="532">The Hon. K.O. FOLEY:</by>  Apparently, the PSA has said it's failed and somehow that is supposed to be a badge of honour or something; they are the authority. Since we came into office, the PSA has opposed every initiative of this government to save money, so that does not surprise me. BHP has a shared services facility here in Adelaide. It is a common business practice, and it should be common for government. It is not an easy reform. It is not without the potential for error but, in the long run, it is a very good efficiency saving, and sometimes governments have to be courageous and make hard decisions—something members opposite failed to do in eight years of government.</text>
      </talker>
    </subject>
  </proceeding>
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